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4-03-2012 @ 4:12PM
ya so my mom plays wow and she wanted to look pretty so she transmogged all her gear to the revealing kind. this is coming from my 63 y/o mom!guys want to be cool and girls want to look pretty. there are plenty of armor choices in wow that are very cover-uppy, why not just mog one of those?I don't want a women's lib movement in fantasy rpg armor design.feel free to downrate this because I'm a chauvinistic pig
4-03-2012 @ 4:25PM
And what about cases like Ji Firepaw, where a woman is straight up treated worse than a man? There is no choice there. There is no recourse. The alternative is to not play what you want to play. Why is that acceptable?
4-03-2012 @ 4:34PM
I am more likely to upvote you because of the torture of seeing your mom's character running around in a bikini.Ok, not really.While the chainmail bikini thing does bother me a little bit (it would be nice if there was an option for style under a menu. TF2 has ripped off so much from WoW, why not take a page out of it's book? Allow a "style" option for each piece that has multiple looks) the thing is, is Blizzard is still mostly staffed at the higher end by guys who think the whole "chick in a metal bikini" thing is like the best thing ever. The option to wear the equipment like you want should be an option.Now, I love Blizzard, and I like alot of the guys that are there (faction bias notwithstanding) but when new artwork or concepts, or content comes out, I sometimes get disappointed when yet again something is stripped down to "hot chick in skimpy fantasy wear."I am a guy, I like women in skimpy outfits (in general, not just in the game, in fact, some of my female characters I actually avoided the equipment that did that), but there is a time and a place, and not every single character should be dressed like that. As someone else said on a similiar topic about plate bikinis, there are much worse examples out there. TERA has female characters in what looks literally like dental floss and saran wrap. Oh, and breast sizes larger than anything in WoW. Like, if I had to guess, DDD.
4-03-2012 @ 4:39PM
1. Go look up "false dichotomy" somewhere. I'll wait.2. SOME guys want to be cool and SOME girls want to look pretty. SOME guys want to wear a tiara and dance on top of the Stormwind fountain and SOME girls want to go Titan's Grip. Blizzard has a habit of making those choices for people, and you're not helping.3. Your mogging point doesn't hold water because the same pieces of armor that cover a male character head to toe in plate is structured into a midriff-exposing chest plate for female characters. If you want fantasy rpg armor design to stay believable, having armor that actually protects women from getting shivved in the kidneys is a good start.4. I don't have to call you a pig because you did it yourself. good job.
4-03-2012 @ 4:53PM
@Alex: Why is what's said to the female "worse"? Its effectively the same, interpretation aside. "Your appearance indicates you probably do well with the opposite sex."
4-03-2012 @ 4:45PM
@ AlexI don't tend to comment on here, but I feel I must take the bait on that.There are many aspect of the game world that are forced upon us that might not live up to our personal ideology or expectations of the the game world, that are equally unavoidable except by not playing. And you know what the generally accepted response that I've seen given to such qualms is?If you don't like it, vote with your feet.Ultimately we are participants in a fantasy world of someone else's creation. The armor designs, dialogues, etc are written by the creators of said world. And in this particular instance the nature of this interaction is wholly - if you don't like the way female characters in this world are referred to, play a male character. Much like the argument regarding I don't want to stare at the male model's 'butt' for hours on end - so they play a female character.Whilst I agree that the way Ji greets female players is somewhat breaking is the way one would expect Pandaren to behave, to call it sexist I'm afraid is a bit of a stretch. Him making a statement such as "Ah, a gorgeous female! the kitchen is this way..." WOULD be sexist. And to be clear, I'm not trying to belittle those whom quite rightly claim that they've received creepy compliments from creepy guys, and it was unsettling. Such behavior is reprehensible. But we need to be contextual here - this is a fantasy role play world where we as players actively engage in acts of murder and violence, aren't they also considered abhorrent in society? Should we move to ban game violence all together?It's all a matter of perspective, which I fear here has been lost.
4-03-2012 @ 4:47PM
I hate how all the fancy clothes I put on my undead turn into riped up rags. This is the exact same issue. Would be nice to have in interface button where I can toggle my clothes to look exactly the same on me as they would on a living human.
4-03-2012 @ 5:32PM
@pinteresquein response to your points1. I looked it up. I agree with you that there are more ways to handle armor, like toggle options that drakkenfyre mentioned. I support that.2. Blizz doesn't have a "habit" of it. It is their game and how we look is entirely their doing. Way beyond habit.3. Just off the top of my head, the cobalt armor from crafting covers women up, at least it covers my human female warrior; head to toe. And next, you really ought not bring up armor being "believable" if that is what you're after. After all, this is a game where priests with bathrobes on can survive a knife to the back, and a bear with no visible armor other than some scraggly fur can withstand teeth and claws of a dragon the size of a building. Now try to imagine what we would all look like if we all wore armor that could "believably" protect us from anything.4. oink oink /snort
4-03-2012 @ 10:07PM
I just wanna say, I am lovin' me some WoW Insider Men right now. It's really refreshing to see so many guys from WoW Insider and in general post about this topic with such respectful and thoughtful views. You guys are real class-acts.
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