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Have prot warriors been left behind? {WoW}

Mar 13th 2008 3:17PM @14
"Warriors however have something the neither of those classes have...emergency buttons. Last stand and Shield wall"

Last Stand is a temporary OH SH!T button. Shield Wall is on a 30 minute cooldown and only lasts 15 seconds (with talents). Spell reflect is very situational. A lot of spells can't be reflected, so it's completely useless to us and is rage better spent on other moves.

Pallies? They have Lay on Hands, although I'll give you that it has a 1 hour cooldown, but jeez... for 0 mana, they get ALL their HP back. A paladin with 10k hp suddenly has effectively more HP than I do in my best stamina gear. But they can only do that trick once an hour. Ardent Defender? No cooldown, no mana cost, kicks in automatically. I can.... hit Berserking and attack faster when I get that low. Big whoop.

I've seen pally tanks take on gauntlet waves and gladiator packs and only have to consecrate once and them spam Holy Shield for the rest of the fight. Its effortless tanking and lets the whirlwind/multishot/blizzard/blade flurry spam crowd go nuts.

Have prot warriors been left behind? {WoW}

Mar 13th 2008 3:00PM Prot warriors aren't hybrids, which is sort of the point of the author's article. We've sacrificed our DPS abilities for survivability. We have no utility outside of tanking. Despite us being able to spam devastate, a fury warrior in so-so blues is still going to out-dps us. To offer any kind of viability on fights such as Vashj, were you really only need 2 tanks, we have to respec or get booted from the raid. It's happened to me a couple of times. The other side of that coin is usually we're focused on acquiring better tanking gear, our DPS gear gets neglected. So now we're inferior Fury warriors too.

Ask a feral druid to tank, he puts on his tanking gear and turns into a bear. Want him to dps? He turns into a kitty. Ask a prot warrior to tank, we slap on the sword and board. Ask him to dps, and we'll probably just barely be ahead of the healers who accidentally cast SW:P on a target. Our poor tank last night consistently failed to drop his Inner Demon on Leo because he can't put out enough DPS. We'd have to drop him and that throws the raid into a problem because he's the human form tank for that fight.

I still see a lot of prejudice against warrior tanks, even in a few of the guilds I've been in. Why have a warrior tank when you can have a druid bear with twice the HP and armor, four times the dodge, and DPS capabilities? And let's not forget that druids are quite capable multimob tanks, second only to pallies. Druids synergize with rogues rather well. Warriors don't really synergize with anything except maybe another warrior, and that's just for shout buffs.

Know how many times I've been laughed at when I've answered requests for a tank for Heroic SH? I've literally have had to say "I'll pay your repair bills if we wipe". Most of the time afterwards, I get told that I out-tank a tankadin in that instance, but the prejudice was there to begin with and it bothers me sometimes. I ran Heroic SH last night, with a Fury warrior. I had to tell him to stop Whirlwinding because he was pulling mobs on the 5 and 6 mob pulls and getting pwned. That gimps our dps and puts more work on the healer. He said "don't have this problem with a pally or bear tank"... yes, I know he's a tard for spamming whirlwind on pulls like that, but his point is that he doesn't have to gimp dps with other tanks.

Our multimob tanking abilities fall short of both druids and pallies- Thunderclap (which was a godsend when we finally got it in Defensive Stance) doesn't scale at all. Completely static threat generation, and its on global cooldown. Cleave only hits 2 targets. Demo shout- static threat divided amongst the targets affected. Whirlwind? Need to switch to Zerk and lose all our rage. Two of our abilities can be resisted.

The author's purpose is saying that warrior tanks are viable, but only at the point where its almost moot because we'd have to be in T6 gear, and have shammy assistance. We're at endgame. Until then, we're gimping the raid with out inadequate threat generation and DPS, we're only suitable for offtanking trash if we're even allowed to do that.

Itemization works against us. I have to strip off half my armor fighting Capacitus because he hits like a pansy and I get no rage. Apart from the static threat values that are not scaling as we progress, the rage mechanic works against us as we gear up. Although entertaining, I shouldn't have to tank a boss naked unless I want to.

Prot warriors are unfortunately, a very niche class. I can really think of only one fight in Kara where a warrior tank brings anything to the table and with Fear Ward, even that is diminished. We're useless after that until Kael, and that's only to tank Sanguinar. Even then, between Fear Ward and the Phaseshift Bulwark, this can be done easily enough by a pally. Don't even think of asking to tank Tidewalker, that's almost exclusively druid country. In ZA, would you rather have a warrior tank and a druid for Lynx, or 2 druids? A single adequately geared bear tank and eat up a full Saber Lash all by himself and still be standing.

There are really few situations until almost the end of the game that really play up to a warrior's strengths. Any situation where it's tank'n'spank can usually be done at least as easily as a bear tank or a pally.

Forum post of the Day: Tank shortage {WoW}

Mar 7th 2008 12:20PM Tank shortage?! What tank shortage. At least on Cenarius there isn't a shortage because *nobody* is doing instances anymore. It's gotten to the point where I'm doing the battlegrounds as prot just to have something to do.

Central US woes [updated] {WoW}

Mar 6th 2008 7:43PM What, what?!

If the one of the MAEs are jacked, then I'd agree. But the Internet itself was engineered to be self-healing and route around problem areas unless the problem is at a high-level exchange. The issue is probably further down, at one of their colocation facilities.

Build Shop: Warrior 28/33/0 {WoW}

Feb 27th 2008 12:36PM Amani Death Mask and Pauldrons of Gruesome Fate. Badge rewards.

Build Shop: Warrior 28/33/0 {WoW}

Feb 27th 2008 12:34PM RiP = Rogue in Plate. It's a 20/44/0 build that maximizes a warrior's damage output.

Build Shop: Warrior 28/33/0 {WoW}

Feb 27th 2008 12:19PM In PvE, prot is generally only the viable spec for a warrior...

At least on my server, nobody will take a Fury warrior into a 5-man because they have no crowd control, apart from letting mobs beat on them which distracts the healer from the tank. Given the choice between taking a Fury warrior one of the millions of rogues, mages, and hunters into a heroic 5-man, which is the obvious choice? Kinda makes it hard to get badges as Fury, doesn't it?

Forum Post of the Day: is reporting AFKers counter-productive? {WoW}

Jan 7th 2008 3:28PM Is this such an issue that it needs two consecutive articles written about it?

The Twelve Days of Winter Veil: Day one {WoW}

Jan 3rd 2008 11:19AM I am a comment

Fired for a screenshot {WoW}

Jan 2nd 2008 12:56PM The kid is a complete self-righteous, clueless prick. Hopefully he will take this as a learning experience, reset and reboot, hopefully go back to school and take some English classes, and lose the self-righteous attitude.

Kids. Gotta love 'em. Young, dumb and fertile. He's the kind of guy who expects sex after buying his date something off of the Dollar Menu at Taco Bell.