Aug 22nd 2007 12:03PM @86
Hunts, why do you sign things as anything else when we all know who you are? Also, don't talk trash here, ESPECIALLY if it's not relevant to the article. keep that shit on the realm forums, you lifeless coward.
chad = z
and noone really cares how much you hate grimice. we already know.
Aug 21st 2007 3:14PM It's fairly easy to separate the comments in this thread of those who seem to have some understanding of how actual guilds and raiding works and those who do not. Granted, some of the former still think I'm a greedy, selfish, elitist prick -- that's their right. But I respect that at least their arguments are logical and unprejudiced.
I'd love, after some period of time, to gather statistics on each Ashes of Al'ar drop, on who it went to and how it was handled. I find it interesting, on a loosely-related note, that everyone who has posted saying "it dropped for us" also had it go to an officer or GL, and that it was not, in fact, /randomed.
Anyway, if it drops for your guild, grats on killing kael. A lot of people will never see him die. And I wish you luck on the drop, 'cause that bird is pretty sexy. I hope others might learn from our mistake and have a written policy beforehand, be it dkp, random, or specific member distribution.
ah hah... i put a heart sign, and the wowinsider parser got mad and killed my post. one more time... sorry for the spam!
I appreciate your supportive comments. Thanks for not jumping on the judgemental bandwagon.
I assume you're the one I remember interviewing DnT back in the crushing-naxx days? I think I might have that one saved somewhere. Fun show.
Aug 21st 2007 3:12PM oh snap! I got cut off!
Aug 21st 2007 3:10PM It's fairly easy to separate the comments in this thread of those who seem to have some understanding of how actual guilds and raiding works and those who do not. Granted, some of the former still think I'm a greedy, selfish, elitist prick -- that's their right. But I respect that at least their arguments are logical and unprejudiced.
I'd love, after some period of time, to gather statistics on each Ashes of Al'ar drop, on who it went to and how it was handled. I find it interesting, on a loosely-related note, that of the 2 other posters whose guilds have seen the ashes drop, one gave it to a co-gm, and the other would have given it to the gm had he been there. hmmmmmm.
Anyway, to anyone still reading this crazy long list of YOU SUCK, NO I DONT, comments, if it drops for your guild, grats on killing kael! A lot of people will never see him die. And I wish you luck on the drop, 'cause that bird is pretty sexy. I hope others might learn from our mistake and have a written policy beforehand, be it dkp, random, or specific member distribution.
Aug 20th 2007 5:11PM @38 interesting idea. had we thought of it, we might have done that. our mt is a badass and never bitches. that would have been fitting. next one, maybe =D
@40 fair point. The *only* problem with that approach (what we tried to avoid) was the voice of the dissent causing us to waste 30 minutes debating. I think there would have been about 3 people that would fight for quite a while. There should have been a written policy, one way or the other, and for that we're all quite sad/mad-at-ourselves and have all apologized in our private guild forum.
@critics Meh. It's a well-run guild with good loot rules, good raid-invite rules, well thought out policies that we stick to. We dropped the ball a little on this one, but we all feel we made the right choice given circumstances. Like I said, keep the hate flowing, I don't mind. In guild, only 2 people are even a little miffed. I don't think they'll quit, though I'd hate to see it if they do. Everyone else supports the decision. So w/e. I guess enjoy your "mature" guilds. I'll go back to enjoying my "immature" one.
Aug 20th 2007 4:20PM @20
Most people will not gquit when progression is good. Even if the officers are greedy dicks and the loot system is retarded. Greed drives all, in my experience. Feel free to disagree, but I'd wager most people play this game are at least somewhat motivated by greed.
That said, our dkp system is about as fair as any I've seen. And our officers are pretty good guys, in general. Smart, level headed, considerate. Most of us rarely take an item that isn't overflow.
And we *did* discuss it. You would sit around for 30 minutes while kael's body might de-spawn and have an all-hands guild meeting on vent? Come on. We had to make a relatively quick decision. We went to a private channel and banged it out.
We didn't re-write policy. There WAS no policy. That was our mistake, yes. But the only way to fix it was to have a quick impromptu meeting. We did. We made a decision and went with it. And then word spread FAST. You have no idea how many whispers I got. All across Magtheridon, /trade was basically taken over with OMG GM NINJA spam, while we were all in a raid and couldn't tell the story. Boom.
Hate all you want. We know we did the right thing.
Aug 20th 2007 4:03PM @19
We use a... quirky DKP system with attendance-based tiers (priority to vets/absurdly-actives/etc), with the "officer discretion" disclaimer tacked on at the end.
We don't have a written policy on mounts... In hindsight, I wish we had. In our previous meeting, about half of us wanted it to go to the GM. The other half thought we should do some kind of roll. None of us thought dkp should directly affect it. Attendance, perhaps, but not current dkp amount. If we have people passing on upgrades so they can stay #1 and get a stupid mount, I for one would be super pissed. Anyway, I think it was a late-night meeting when we talked about it, and we kinda left it up in the air so we could go to sleep. I mean seriously... no way it'll drop until we've been farming for months, right?
I know he said in /raid that we'd discuss it. but.. when you just got 6 more people attuned for hyjal, it's 845, and you BADLY want to go kill rage winterchill so we can spend the next night on Black Temple loot piñatas, is there really time for a guild/raid-wide discussion? No. So the officers went to another channel and discussed it. At the end of it all, with enough of us urging him to take it (all but 2), and the other 2 not being particularly vocal in their dissent, he took it. And now he feels bad because of all of you calling him a ninja, without even knowing the story.
Whatever. The outcries will die out soon, and the NINJA-shouters will give up, and the X-guildie haters will move on and flame us for something else. And we'll be left with a GM zipping around on a mount that EVERYONE will envy. Win, IMO.
Aug 20th 2007 3:31PM I'm an officer in the guild in question. We had, jokingly almost (since who actually *expects* the ashes to drop on your 2nd kael kill?), discussed it in an officer's meeting about 2 weeks prior. Some of us thought it should be an attendance-based roll. Others thought it should be auto-looted to the GM. The GM stayed out of it. He is not a greedy bastard, and seriously.. "it's not gonna drop anyway".
As a symbol of progression and I guess guild epeen, anyone in the guild riding around on it is pretty neat. But IMO, this is tantamount to getting the title "Scarab Lord", which you all know was universally the GM of the #1 guild on the realm. at least 4 of the officers wanted it to go to the GM. The other 2 had 100% attendance and wanted it to be 95%+ roll off... Anyway, after brief discussion in o-chat and in the officer channel on vent, and at the urging of most of us, he took it himself.
Stop calling him greedy. He's not. I, for one, am proud to see him streaking around shatt on that phoenix. Most of our guildies agree.