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Jun 29th 2007 12:33PM Exactly. This was a contender for my next vehicle, but not any longer.
I'm almost in mourning. My beloved VW didn't learn from the Jetta.
Jun 29th 2007 12:31PM Sigh...what happened?
Jun 26th 2007 5:10PM Winding Road states that the Veloster concept will donate its design language to a Tiburon replacement, not the V6 RWD coupe.
And if this thing is gonna be based on their Genesis' platform...won't that make it heavy? The only things we have to go on are the Genesis' target segment (BMW 3 and Lexus IS) and a Hyundai exec who claims its power-to-weight will be "impressive."
I just want this thing to be Tiburon-sized and priced in the low-to-mid 20s. That would make it very, very fun and very, very successful.
Jun 26th 2007 11:12AM And the biggest winners are the consumers in this war.
I can't wait to see this car.
Jun 20th 2007 4:38PM If Hyundai released a FR Tiburon that had a peppy engine and a quality interior, I'd be all over it. I'm not holding my breath, though. I've read the rumors, but until it's in the pipeline, I will remain skeptical.
I don't mind that my car is a Golf. The Golf is a great car, especially so in its fifth generation. To say these cars are tarted-up economy cars is the entire method to their madness. It started with VW and the Golf GTI, an idea they never thought would take off. People (like me) want it. The Golf is a practical people-mover for low cost, good mileage (notice I'm not saying the American Rabbit with its horrifying fuel economy), and is reliable. Add to that a great chassis and high-quality interior.
But then you drop the 2.0TFSI in there, change the drivetrain, modify the suspension, change some interior and exterior bits, and for a few grand more you have an exciting car on top of all that. It's exactly what I was looking for, and the thousands of buyers of the Si, GTI, MS3, Cooper S, etc. also found these cars to have the same qualities I wanted.
So based on your last paragraph there, I should take people's rabid FWD-hate as angst at being presented with a limited choice in inexpensive RWD vehicles? Like I said, if a car with my qualities was made in RWD, I'd buy it if it was a damn Mercury, for heaven's sake. But re-reading your first paragraph - a turbo four? - actually throws a chill up my spine. What a wondrous car that would be.
Jun 20th 2007 12:27PM There's no way I'd turn down a RWD Scirocco. But don't think I'm saying FWD is just as good as RWD. I'm just sick and tired of the whole "it's FWD, it's crap" argument because people read that their fantasy Paganis and Ferraris all have RWD.
So here's a question for you as pertains to my situation and why I purchased my GTI: Where's the RWD $21,000 brand-new small, sporty, PRACTICAL, quality car that gets a combined 30 mpg city-hwy? If I was looking for a car solely for performance or as a second car, I wouldn't look at a FWD car. In fact, my "dream garage" (don't lie, everyone has one) doesn't have a single FWD vehicle inside. But since I don't make enough money to get that sweet, sweet S6, I have to settle.
So once again, I repeat my previous statement: FWD can be engaging, nimble, and FUN for people who'd rather have a smaller car with better fuel mileage.
Jun 19th 2007 5:46PM For some reason, I thought I'd put C6. Yes, thanks for the correction.
And the allroad thing...yeah, semantics. Technically it's the A6 allroad quattro, but that goes beyond semantics and into esotericism.
Jun 19th 2007 4:12PM Oh good God, there's a lot of misinformation in here. It's obvious Ligor hasn't even a tentative, limp-fish grasp on VW-Audi.
The A5 platform currently doing time with Volkswagen's car lineup (short of the Phaeton), INCLUDING the Passat (which uses a slightly varied version of the A platform). The TT and A3 are the only Audis which use this platform.
The B7 platform is under the A4. The B platform had been an Audi platform all along, with VW having borrowed it shortly after buying Audi from Mercedes-Benz for use in its Passat coupe and sedan. The B8 is undergoing full-scale production in the A5 and next-gen A4 and utilizes an arrangement similar to Nissan's FM platform, with the front axle nudged fore and the engine pulled aft.
The C5 platform is what the A6 and AllRoad models use. This platform will likely see use in the next Phaeton.
And finally, the D platform, which the previous-generation Phaeton and the A8 use.
testa is right on the money with the perception of these manufacturers in Europe. Having spent over 2 years in Germany and diving headfirst into its car culture, my experience echoes his statements, right down to the Turks with their Altezza-style tails on their 3-series BMWs and slashed springs.
ANYWAY, after having said all that...I'm actually quite surprised at BMW Aus's statement. It's not typical of BMW to be confrontational like that. That's usually reserved for the Koreans or the Japanese.
That isn't to say Audi's totally innocent. Do a search on YouTube for a commercial for the current-generation RS4 called "Black Widow."
Jun 19th 2007 1:50PM Of course it won't be produced. You're not filling us in on anything new here. It's meant to build brand awareness and get people talking. And guess what you're doing?
While I typically feel no need to justify my adoration for VW-Audi, I can say that my years of owning VW-Audi products have produced nary a problem and lots of wide grins.
And for God's sake, get off the pretentious high-horse of "FWD < * " If you took the time to drive some of the newest front-drive offerings such as the MazdaSpeed3, the GTI, or Cooper S without some self-righteous preconceived notion of supposed "inferiority," you might actually enjoy yourself and realize FWD can be engaging, nimble, and FUN for people who'd rather have a smaller car with better fuel mileage.