Jun 27th 2011 9:43PM *much BIGGER PITA, not better, oops.
Jun 27th 2011 9:41PM Regardless of whether or not this new system is as secure as it was before in terms of hackers, I would still like the option to keep having to enter in my authenticator number. I feel more secure knowing that without a doubt no one can access my account. Sure, I have all the common sense safeguards in place - no one knows my password and my computer is locked down, but you just never know. What if I play WoW at a friend's house for a few days? I don't like the idea that he could get into my account after I leave if he guesses the password or has a keylogger - and changing the password all the time is a much better PITA than entering in a few numbers each time I log on. Then there are the other reasons people have mentioned - vindictive people, easy child account control, etc. Yes I know parents should learn to use the parental controls but I have seen those, and let's face it, they are a PITA because it really only works if you put your child on a schedule - for most parents, they don't want to have to log into the website and change parental control settings several times a day when it's much easier to reward or punish their child on the spur of the moment by handing them the authenticator or taking it away. I really hope blizzard will let us opt out.
Mar 19th 2010 1:15PM P.S. I *thought* I saw a comment or two saying that convincing someone it's selfish is the best way to stop them, which just further proves my point.
Mar 19th 2010 1:12PM I know, but that wasn't clear enough in the article itself, IMO. I got the impression that many people are going to think "Hey, that's a good idea!" and start telling suicidal people how selfish it is thinking they are helping, especially with how some people just skim these articles.
Having been there myself several times, I can sadly report that the selfish/cowardly arguments are presented TO the suicidal person far more often than not. In fact, that's one of a few big reasons why I stopped telling anyone when I got/get suicidal, because of how much worse I ultimately ended up feeling. I don't think the majority of people actually realize they aren't supposed to SAY such things to the person's face. Not sure why that isn't common sense, but based on my experience, it isn't.
Mar 19th 2010 12:41PM Just a warning: convincing a suicidal person that suicide is selfish is NOT always the best way to help them. Sometimes it can actually make things worse and drive them over the edge.
Suicide isn't always about wanting to make things easier on people around them. Sometimes suicidal people KNOW they are being selfish. But the reason for wanting to die is because life has been extraordinarily unkind and some of us know that the truth is - it DOESN'T always get better. There isn't always a light at the end of the tunnel. In all honesty, I view that kind of argument as mindless drivel from people that don't really understand. If it was so easy to believe things will get better eventually, no one would be suicidal.
For some people, it never ends. And when someone is feeling like they are going to be one of the people for which the hell never ends, and they just can't deal with the pain of life and life being pain itself, then suicide is a way out, a relief, a comfort. Don't think that it totally escapes a suicidal person that it is selfish or that it is cowardly - trust me, sometimes they know it all too well. The point is, sometimes that doesn't matter.
And telling them that it's selfish or cowardly only makes them feel worse about themselves, and can actually make them do it when they wouldn't have otherwise. All it does when you tell people it's selfish (in a lot of cases) is either validate that suicide is the right choice or invalidate their feelings and make them feel even more hopeless.
Also, if someone is saying they are alone, don't automatically chalk this up as untrue and just a skewed perspective on their part. It may be a skewed perspective, but think how hurtful it is to invalidate someone when they feel this way whether it's true or not? Suicidal people need comfort and validation - not brow beating.
I'd say that as good as intentions may be, you don't know what kind of suicidal the person is or what will work for them or make it worse. So for suicide issues in-game, I would just simply speak kindly to the person and keep the topic about the game only, positive things... and in the background, report them to a GM as suggested in the article. You will be getting them the help they need rather than possibly making things worse that way, but you can keep them online and talking until then by being kind, positive, and redirecting the conversation to non-personal topics. When you redirect the conversation it will either help them redirect their thinking, or they will realize that they aren't going to get what they want out of you and move on. That's MY suggestion.