Dec 30th 2010 6:12PM Since Teldrassil was grown rather recently, what was the night elf capital before Darnassus.
May 11th 2010 4:12PM /roll
Apr 30th 2009 6:19PM They banned his entire guild, regardless of whether or not they went to Ulduar. Plus Blizzard has an expressed policy of, if it was mailed to you, its yours. We don't know that he got in in a malicious way. If the fault was on Blizzards part (and it sounds like it is), Blizzard should own up and take the repercussions, not this dude.
Actually, if the bank put millions of dollars into your account it is your money. This has happened before and it caused a lot of controversy. The man ended up giving back the money though however it was still his money (legally that is). He was sued for it and still won.
Apr 26th 2009 10:44PM @ Kylenne:
How is he a shitty king? There has always been a war in 'warcraft'. Wrynn just sees the Horde as a threat, which it is.
If anything, Wrynn's mistake was to trust the horde. War and rampage is all the orcs know. Eventually it would come back to bite him and it did. Saying that the buck stops here, does not make him a bad king. If anything it shows him as stronger than Thrall or Sylvanis since the two allowed (and sometimes encouraging) traiters in their midst.
Sylvanas wants to destroy all life. Thats more than revenge.
How does calm solve the problems of the alliance or the horde? Wrynn is being an effective leader while Thrall is practically a puppet, unable to control his right hand and establishing him in the first place.
How is anything you're saying anything more than speculation or opinion. Use some examples.
The humans you're fighting owns the land as well. Undead attacked them first. Saying that they attacked the forsaken first is ridiculous.
Creating a plague that wipes you out too, isn't playing to your strengths. Its the equivilent of creating nukes to wipe out the world. As for a change in attitude, your still having the forsaken wanting to wipe out life and you still have the plague and it's original intentions. I can't say with certainty, but it wouldn't seem likely that Sylvanis would just get rid of it all.
"Death to the Living" is spoken by all forsaken npcs. It's mission is repeated many times in quest dialog and books. There isn't much room for you to move around here.
You reference one gnome. With the orcs, its practically the entire species. And .. yeah.. the whole comment on, "oh we're going to cure the lands after we wipe everyone out" doesn't help your cause.
uh.. why would you assume the lich king will only die by a plague weapon? He's has a corporeal body now. Shoot, even when he was in a thrown he could have been destroyed.
Apr 26th 2009 9:50PM Also, leaders should often be help accountable for what their underlings do. Sometimes it can't be helped, but allying with undead is pretty big and Thrall probably knew about the plague.
Think of it this way, Sylvanis helped mastermind the plague but 'may' have not known about what was going to happen at wrathgate. Had Sylvanis not done what she did, it wouldn't have happened. Had Thrall not allied with the undead it wouldn't have happened. Has the alliance not allied with the horde (at wrathgate), it wouldn't have happened. The king is simply saying "the buck stops here".
Apr 26th 2009 9:46PM @ Haven:
The orc's lust for power drove them to drink demonic blood. They can be blame for what they did.
Orgrim could have chosen peace, he didn't. He can be blamed for what he did. Your example of being replaced has not echoed with Thrall.
RAS could have simply not tried to wipe out all life, is what they could have done. They too can be blamed for their actions. If Sylvanis had not developed that plague in the first place it wrathgate wouldn't have happened. If Thrall had not allied with the forsaken and not ignored their actions, it still wouldn't have happened.
As for your comment on Sylvanis, its nothing more then speculation and there is too much evidence that she knew full well about the plague and wished to destroy all life.
Still more speculation on Thrall having it harder. Wrynn had dragons remember? If anything, it looks more like Wrynn is doing more for his people than Thrall is. Also your comment on the "old veterans" doesn't make sense. If the loss of the demon blood and bloodlust didn't change things, would a new generation do so?
You forget that Varian had lost his memory. Slavery and blood fighting was all he knew, while Thrall spent a lot of time out of the camps. One could say that it is reversed from what your point was, but even so your point is.. weak.
Oh, and more speculation on Thrall not knowing about M'uru. Really, is thrall supposed to be as blind as "horde apologists" say?
Apr 26th 2009 9:25PM @ Maxinator:
Have you read the lore? You describe the alliance exactly as the High Elves once were (big surprise they became horde). And you say "almost" genocide like the Horde haven't already done it multiple times. Do you even have an example of the Alliance's "genocide"?
And LAWL at trying to say the scarlet crusade is part of the alliance. The scarlet crusade was born because of the undead and continue to fight because of the undead. Part of that undead (who is trying to kill them by the way) is the forsaken. The forsaken have allied themselves with the horde who also slaughter the scarlet crusade. The scarlet crusade are as much a part of the alliance as they are the horde (meaning not at all). Oh and by the way, the lich king was an orc.
Apr 26th 2009 9:17PM @ Eph:
Although I do not have anything against the Tauren (and quite the contrary, I can't seem them as staying allies with the Horde), they still have chosen to ally themselves with them. They send their warriors to join the combined forces of the horde and because of this they can't simply be ignored. Beyond that there really isn't much of a reason to include them. The alliance (the dwarven explorer's league actually) went into their land and the Tauren reacted by killing them. They were already at war though and the point is sort of moot.
Also, Wrynn saw orc society from the ground up. In a sense, he knows the orcs better than Thrall does. Thrall seems to have the imagine of the man in the ivory tower who knows nothing about his fellow orcs.
Also, cult of the Damned include horde members and the Alliance actively tries to destory it. Thats a completely unrelated example when comparing it to the widespread slavery and blood arenas of the orcs.
Apr 26th 2009 9:10PM @ Key:
If the jews had repeatedly tried to wipe out the nazis, I suppose you'd be right.