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Patch 4.2 preview: Thrall's fate revealed in epic quest [SPOILERS!] {WoW}

Apr 30th 2011 12:59AM @Sillystring, Drak, and Dreyja

Who is this Khaleess and what territories has he ruled? What wars has he fought? What makes him qualified to say that concession is the only course for the Alliance? Make no mistake; the Alliance was wronged in this war. It was Thrall who left Garrosh in charge of the Horde, despite the protests from the Alliance and his advisors: Vol'jin and Cairne, warning him of his warmongering tendencies. And because of this, he let the Horde unleash brutality and destruction on the Alliance. And because of that, the Alliance has had to suffer the Horde’s invasions in Ashenvale because they would not submit to being extorted for their resources to provide for an enemy who conspire to use covert means to expand its sphere of influence at the expence of the Alliance. Even Gilneas, who had no interest in the Alliance’s or Azeroth’s politics, and even built a massive wall to separate themselves from it, couldn’t escape war or destruction because the Horde premeditatedly targeted their lands for their territorial expansion.
Tell me, if you say concession is the best course of action, what nation has ever been invaded or attacked in real life, have ever settled for forgiving the trespasses of their enemies unless they were intimidated into negotiation? Why didn’t America surrender to Japan when they hit Pearl Harbor?
The reason why is because as Ike once said, “The hand of the aggressor is stayed by strength — and strength alone.”

Dwight D. Eisenhower once said “We must be ready to dare all for our country. For history does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. We must acquire proficiency in defense and display stamina in purpose. We must be willing, individually and as a Nation, to accept whatever sacrifices may be required of us. A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. These basic precepts are not lofty abstractions, far removed from matters of daily living. They are laws of spiritual strength that generate and define our material strength.”
In the days of WWII, people would not stop fighting until unconditional victory was met if they were hit with a premeditated invasion. But because Thrall could possibly return, the Alliance is to forgive the Horde’s rampage on their nations, and have to rebuild the ruins of their cities and settlements without any compensation from the Horde what so ever? That sounds like a shit deal. But I’m not the writer of the story. If the leaders of the Alliance are content with that, if the Alliance players are content with that, then what ever fate befalls on them, good or bad, was earned by their apathy.

Patch 4.2 preview: Thrall's fate revealed in epic quest [SPOILERS!] {WoW}

Apr 29th 2011 5:44PM @Drack

What's there to avoid? The Burning Legion will be dealt with just like every other threat in Azeroth. Whether that calls for a temporary, key word, temporary truce and all that stuff remains to be seen. Or it can be like it is now, the Alliance and Horde fighting each other while also killing the Twilight's Hammer. They'll be dealt with. But you are sadly mistaken if it means anything but postponing the war because imo, the only way this is going to end is if the Alliance has Lordaeron again and Alliance forces are stationed in Durotar.

Patch 4.2 preview: Thrall's fate revealed in epic quest [SPOILERS!] {WoW}

Apr 29th 2011 5:05PM @Drack
The Twilight's Hammer managed to frame Garrosh and the orcs for the attacks on Ashenvale. They managed to turn the Alliance and Horde against each other at the Theramore Summit. What makes you think they wouldn't be able to impersonate SI:7?
Put aside your fierce hatred of Varian. Put aside that you think he's the president of the Thrall hate fan club and ask yourself, what does the Alliance have to gain by kidnapping Thrall? It's not going to stop Garrosh, one orc isn't above the entire Horde in the "Victory or Death" Mentality. How did the Alliance know that Thrall would be there in the middle of nowhere? The Lost Isles is uncharted, how did they know Thrall was going to pass through there? http://www.wowhead.com/item=49090 This insinuates that the captain of the Draka's Fury, the vessel that was assigned to protect Thrall, was acting suspicious.
Now tell, does that at the very least not seem suspicious to you?

Patch 4.2 preview: Thrall's fate revealed in epic quest [SPOILERS!] {WoW}

Apr 29th 2011 4:58PM @Drack
Drack have you ever read Vol'jin's short story, "The Judgemet"? I'm like Vol'jin, I stand up for something I believe in, even if it leads to struggling and pain. The Alliance is a choice. It isn't your personal army to chose who your enemies are. It's a lose coalition of mutual defense. And the Alliance has been assaulted by the Horde. It is the foreign policy of any good self respecting coalition to fight any enemy that attacks it's member states until the Alliance is justly compensated and that threat is neutralized. You may feel it's petty but I feel it's justice and if anything, at least they fought for something they believe in, whether they win or lose. If you don't want to fight the Horde...pull out of the Alliance. But the thing that keeps the Alliance together, is dismantling the mutual threat of the Horde. And I hope to god Blizz does not rob the Alliance of that.

Patch 4.2 preview: Thrall's fate revealed in epic quest [SPOILERS!] {WoW}

Apr 29th 2011 4:03PM @Drack

Thank you for proving my point. Any "Alliance" who spout Horde propaganda like that and points out that he plays Alliance to make himself look "unbiased" is a hordie in alliance clothing. Speking of the Alliance capturing Thrall in the Lost Isles, I still haven't found irrefutable evidence that Varian or the Alliance was behind that attack. And seeing as the Twilight's Hammer are the one's who are gunning for him, it smells more and more like Twilight Hammer's plot by the second.

And the feeling is mutual. I don't want you to associate yourself to the Alliance as you're submissive demeanor towards the Horde is similar to Lord Godfrey turning over Genn to the Forsaken because he thinks he can save Gilneas that way. That's cowardly traitor talk.

Patch 4.2 preview: Thrall's fate revealed in epic quest [SPOILERS!] {WoW}

Apr 29th 2011 3:57PM @Drack

Thank you for proving my point. Any "Alliance" who spout Horde propaganda like that and points out that he plays Alliance to make himself look "unbiased" is a hordie in alliance clothing. Speking of the Alliance capturing Thrall in the Lost Isles, I still haven't found irrefutable evidence that Varian or the Alliance was behind that attack. And seeing as the Twilight's Hammer are the one's who are gunning for him, it smells more and more like Twilight Hammer's plot by the second.

And the feeling is mutual. I don't want you to associate yourself to the Alliance as you're submissive demeanor towards the Horde is similar to Lord Godfrey turning over Genn to the Forsaken because he thinks he can save Gilneas that way. That's cowardly traitor talk.

Patch 4.2 preview: Thrall's fate revealed in epic quest [SPOILERS!] {WoW}

Apr 29th 2011 3:53PM @Drack

Thank you for proving my point. Any "Alliance" who spout Horde propaganda like that and points out that he plays Alliance to make himself look "unbiased" is a hordie in alliance clothing. Speking of the Alliance capturing Thrall in the Lost Isles, I still haven't found irrefutable evidence that Varian or the Alliance was behind that attack. And seeing as the Twilight's Hammer are the one's who are gunning for him, it smells more and more like Twilight Hammer's plot by the second.

And the feeling is mutual. I don't want you to associate yourself to the Alliance as you're submissive demeanor towards the Horde is similar to Lord Godfrey turning over Genn to the Forsaken because he thinks he can save Gilneas that way. That's cowardly traitor talk.

Patch 4.2 preview: Thrall's fate revealed in epic quest [SPOILERS!] {WoW}

Apr 29th 2011 3:34PM @Dreyja

Dreyja, you may hate the Forsaken and Garrosh, but reconciling with the Horde as if this war didn't happen is the coward's way out. You're being a coward. What of the Night Elves who died trying to protect themselves from Garrosh's invasion? What of the humans who were experimented on, plagued, became Worgen or undead, because of Sylvannas? What of the soldiers who died fighting for the Alliance's freedom? Was that all in vain? What can we get from peace with the Horde other than another tenuous pact that means nothing to them and will probably break in the future so that more of the Alliance's land and people will die. Alliance who act like once Thrall is warchief again, things will go back to sunshine and rainbows are either naive or cowards. And I hope the Alliance has the balls to keep fighting the Horde until they're dismantled otherwise, the Alliance might as well submit their lands to the Horde right now.

Patch 4.2 preview: Thrall's fate revealed in epic quest [SPOILERS!] {WoW}

Apr 29th 2011 2:06PM Vald you're awesome. I don't even care which faction you play.

Patch 4.2 preview: Thrall's fate revealed in epic quest [SPOILERS!] {WoW}

Apr 29th 2011 2:00PM Drack you're what I like to call a Hordie in Alliance clothing. F### reconciliation with the Horde. Justice for Southshore and Gilneas. I'd rather the Alliance die in a blaze of glory than let those murderers go free.