Mar 26th 2012 1:27PM The guild I was in was 3rd or 4th to level 25 on our server, so we often had folks that would join for a while, never saying a word in chat. They'd use the xp bonus and stuff for leveling or while looking for a raid guild (we were mostly a social guild) and often would quit the guild without any notice or anything.
The core of the guild that had been there for eternity mostly shifted to Vent once they got a server for the guild, and so guild chat would often be empty.
Mar 26th 2012 12:51PM Seriously, I have a friend that has the Annual Pass for WoW, though he is barely playing it. I had already quit WoW and told him such and he actually said "yeah, but I like Diablo and get a free copy of that, so it makes sense". I didn't try to dissuade him, I think he did the Annual Pass just so he could keep complaining about the game. (He is a decent player but always had to be dragged to stuff or he'd just sit in SW and moan about not raiding.)
Then he went and joined me in TOR, though I told him he'd hate it there. (I enjoy it, but the quest-boss fights can be a pain, and he's the type that hates dying, at all, ever. He won't do battlegrounds because he dies "too often")
So, some people just like complaining. :)
Mar 26th 2012 12:47PM Just as a side note: TOR lacks ewoks and gungan. :)
(though I wish it lacked Ugnauts too, I hate them!)
Jawa's and Ortolan are still cute enough, though not fuzzy at all, and they have rifles and missile launchers, so they're a Manly Kind Of Cute.
Mar 26th 2012 12:44PM I think partly it has to do with the level of anthropomorphization (probably wrong use of the word I probably spelled awfully, but hear me out!).
Tauren (and minotaurs before them) are a mixture of man and beast, naga as well. Pandaren just always seemed more to be a bear standing up rather than part man, part bear. Like the druid's bear doing his circus dance. They're pushing away from that a bit more, but it's still there.
In addition, there's Kung Fu Panda. I seriously doubt Blizz has any intention of making Pandaren like that, obviously. But that IS in the public mind. They should be aware of that perception and highlighting things in a way that doesn't make it look like the disney character. In that I think they've failed. The chubby panda man that does kung fu and eats a lot isn't the best archetype to use to distance yourself from the image.
I myself don't hate them because their panda-men. SW:TOR has a race of ferret guys that are quite cool and don't bug me anywhere near as much as their cat-people (Cathars) do. It's not automatically that "it's a panda-man!" so much as the way things present themselves, so focusing on telling people why their opinion is baseless ("you have zombies, so disliking pandamen makes no sense") doesn't get very far in bringing folks to the fold.
Mar 26th 2012 12:33PM For me, it was more in the way they were presented at first. Pandaren were a cute niche, that's fine. Lots of folks wanted to play them, though I think their sampling was not really diverse/ representative. I'd have gotten behind Ethereals or Naga moreso, but that's no big deal really.
But the panda's just bounced/ leaped out like gummi bears. I started cracking up. It wasn't so much that "Pandaren are a joke" or "pandaren are kungfu panda", it was the way they were presented, which reeked of a disney movie. Then the fan's responses started rolling in, not so much talking up the potential of pandaren, but putting down anyone who didn't like them. (That isn't Blizzards fault, but their marketing department really should anticipate things and present them better. Their overall response often seemed to be going "no, it's not a joke" over and over.)
Yeah, the Chinese element will hopefully be broadly done with a unique spin, but the Monk fits that too. Just as Death Knights fit with the Wrath motif without us also needing a new undead race for both factions.
So, in short I think it's too focused on the element of the Pandaren race. Draenei/ Blood elves were important to Burning Crusade, but the expansion wasn't "Draenor or Bust!", same with Cataclysm and the Worgen/ Goblins. If Pandaria was a country on a new continent and the pandaren were one element of many that the trailer showcased for that environment, then I'd be more receptive to them. (That's just focusing on Pandaren race, it's not the only problem I have with the expansion, and of course doesn't cover what I might like about the expansion.)
Mar 26th 2012 12:15PM You know, if the topic is "what was your opinion and has it changed", maybe downvoting peoples opinions and whether it's changed or not isn't the best use of the system...
Mar 25th 2012 12:45PM I had a similar situation with a friend I've had online forever. He got me into WoW (I was playing GW1) and after he burned out (in BC), I kept playing. He tried Wrath, but never really gave it a good try. As he says "as soon as I start playing it, it feels just like it always did", which is good if you liked that, bad if you didn't...
Another friend of ours is still playing, and I was trying to convince the first guy to do the SoR. Even if you don't play it past the 7 days, or past 7 minutes after downloading, at least it'd give you the Cata update and move one of his wayward alts from another server to the one we were on, but he's adamant against it.
For myself, I quit during cata with a stable of level 85's, so SoR means nothing to me other than 7 days trial to run the stuff that's out since I left, and meh. If I decide to return I'll do it just so my buddy can get the mount.
Mar 25th 2012 12:35PM While off and on, there have been warlock "dps rants", for the most part warlocks have only had a few requests;
1) Fire that matches demon fire ( ala, green felfire)
2) female/male demons
3) flying mount
4) ability to name or resummon for a different random name
it's not like they're huge changes, really. #2 would require some artwork, but they said that it was in process a while back and then dropped it. Some want a flying mount to be a dreadsteed with wings, but I'd have been happy with my dreadsteed flying like the headless horseman's.
Felfire via a quest seems odd though. Hopefully it's a quest that unlocks a glyph or something, because being unable to switch back and forth seems to just be opening up a lot of potential complaints down the line. (Depending on how the green actually looks in game.)
So yeah, it's not that it's a huge thing. It's just that it's a simple request that could have been implemented ages ago but wasn't. Then having the one spell that was green just made it oddly out of place.
Mar 24th 2012 4:17PM The thing to keep in mind with Garrosh's advancement of character, is how much of it is based on his current success. He led a successful Northrend campaign, he became warchief, he is leading the horde in battles near and far. He has accomplished much and can afford honor and the words of elders that he has come to respect.
Now picture his ass getting handed to him in a few battles, picture panda's siding with Taurens in trying to reign in the ecological excesses. Imagine that Sylvanas smacks your big strong orc and explains that she doesn't need to do what he says, she's more powerful than he is.
That'd be when he'll find a shadow council offer to empower him. All it'd take is a few of those dirty trolls on the altars and maybe some blood elven artifacts.
Oh hey, and drink this flaming green stuff. It's called Demon Blood, but that's just a fancy name for Powerade.
Mar 22nd 2012 5:53PM Unless they also ditch Summoning Stones, this just means that now instead of 1 person getting there, 2 must. (and of course the warlock)
It's just reversing a quality of life thing. The only thing I can see it avoiding is the "one rogue gets into a capital city and summons the raid" thing, but who cares?
How this gets people out into the world, I don't know.