Mar 15th 2012 12:44PM My grudge isn't against a mob, but max lvl players that hang out in hellfire to pop the lvl 60s trying to do the hellfire fortifications quest.
Fair enough if you're doing the q for rep, but levelling through there on various alts I've seen (and been victim to) far too many lvl 85's hovering over the points and swooping down to get their honorless kill.
On the rare occasions I travel through there now, I always do a sweep to see if there's any lowbies that need protecting from these vultures.
Mar 2nd 2012 5:45AM @Tuhljin
Okay, you're implying that I am irrational and have no real moral anchor because I don't see the world in the same black and white terms you do - because I can see the value in a fictional character.
Really, if we're going to worry about anybody's rationality here I would suggest it's those that are going to make real life assumptions about people's morality based on their story-type preference.
Oh yes, and by the by, I would dispute the interpretation of Sylvanas' actions as evil. Firstly because pure evil as a concept is ridiculous and 2 dimensional, something we use to scare children. Second, relatively recent historical precedent can be found, and attributed to people we wouldn't categorise as evil, for each of the actions your likely to name, with the obvious exception of the Valkyr. Though I'd be interested to hear you explain why the use of the Valkyr is inherently evil.
Mar 1st 2012 9:17AM Hi Fudge
Would just like to refer you to this...
'unless you're RP'ing'
I'm not pretending anything. RP is a rich and fascinating way of exploring the game, and I have nothing against players who wish to do this. However the vast majority of people I've seen that have been offended by certain things in the game are not writing in character or even with any pretense at RP at all.
Neither did I say that everything had to be morally ambiguous, just that some people have bad reactions to it when it's there at all.
Mar 1st 2012 6:23AM Never gonna happen. Too many players enjoy feeling whiter than white.
Case in point - Sylvanas.
Now I think Sylvanas is a compelling, well written character. Not one I'd have round for tea certainly, but better than most of the other, frankly very beige, faction leaders.
Yet we already have a large proportion of people shrilly crying; 'she's gone mad!', 'she must be killed!' or 'I hate her!'. Massive over reactions, unless you're RP'ing, to a morally dubious character in a video game. These people would be up in arms if you spread the moral uncertainty any further in the game.
Feb 8th 2011 2:40AM Posting fail. Should be a reply to Ronin.
Feb 8th 2011 2:39AM Just picked through one paragraph here because I believe you've gotten confused between the posters. SteveB and Steve83 are not the same person. '
-'he first interjected his own personal value system into the discussion, trying to claim the high-ground against others simply because they said an illegal act was wrong'
Assertion of any opinion is an attempt to gain the high ground. In any case, I fail to see how it's any less preachy than your rigid view of illegal = wrong, anywhere at any time.
-'Until that point people were simply stating their opinions'
So the likes of Carebear and the rest calling people morons is just pure and innocent? Stop trying to act like somehow, just because I have a less strict world view than you, that I have some how derailed this thread into moral ambiguity.
-'as opposed to a mutually-agreed upon societal standard.'
And what would this be? Concepts of right and wrong are highly personal, this is why governing bodies seldom try to legislate along a moral basis. Law is about control, not right and wrong. Even a cursory understanding of how sociaty works would lead you to this conclusion.
Does this mean I'm some kind of reckless, anarchist law breaker? Of course not. I just disagree with you.
-'Well, seeing as how this has degenerated into a senseless argument, and I doubt anyone's position is going to be influenced one way or the other, I'm going to drop it now. Feel free to carry on the convo if you wish.'
Well, thankyou for your blessing that we may continue to converse. You're not being preachy or high and mighty there at all are you?
Feb 7th 2011 4:24PM @Scooter
'If you're going to make a post about an actual crime then do it with a clear statement that you don't approve. No sarcasm. No Jokes. Crime is serious.'
I would argue, and feel that a large number of people would agree with me, that part of what makes us human is our ability to laugh in the face of adversity and the ability to see the lighter side of things. Outright, unexplained refusal to do this is somewhat disturbing.
Despite your assertion, Crime is not 100% serious all the time. I can think of a number of crimes that are petty, silly or even downright ridiculous. This can be because the Law can often be out dated, ill thought out or poorly applied.
Though the tone of some responses here suggest it; Law does not equal right and wrong.
Feb 7th 2011 11:19AM @Common Sense
Chill out. I'm pretty sure it's just a Futurama reference, nothing to get riled up about.
Jun 5th 2010 2:50PM My bad, my immediate recollection wasn't correct.
However, T6 was BT and SWP: SWP dropping ilvl 154 gear. Tier Sets were minimum ilvl146, whilst only the weapons from the sunwell patch badge vendor were on a par.
I'll blame my over reaction on someone recently claiming that the BoJ system was the same as the Emblem system is now.
Jun 5th 2010 5:12AM T6 was never available with BoJ. The new badge loot that came out was the equivalent of T5, and even then there were only a few pieces usable for each class. It's not like you could kit yourself out entirely in badge gear.
Also, i'm pretty sure KZ only dropped something like 13-14 badges, so if you were an exclusively badge loot kind of person, you'd have been waiting a while, especially considering the high number of badges needed for any of the new loot.