Mar 4th 2011 4:57AM #No, because different tanks like to pull groups differently. Sometimes the tank is new and wants to pull one at a time; sometimes they're uber and overgeard and just want to round them all up at once. And if I don't let the tank pull the way he wants, I'm making his job harder on him, which means I am NOT doing my job as DPS.#
The over-geared tank will tell you before hand if he wants to do CC anyway, not all groups want to bother with it unless a pull goes bad.
#So let them votekick you. You don't know their arbitrary standard that isn't even standard anyway? Screw them. You get right back in, and they get to wait twenty minutes for another tank. Sucks to be them.
That said, I've never been bothered by a tank who asks questions. I'm much more likely to get angry at a tank who refuses to admit that he doesn't know everything and then blames ME when he screws it up.#
I feel like I need to be an expert on the dungeon or I shouldn't be there in the first place, given the sheer volume of stuff to be remembered. Do I have to roll every class in the game just to get the hang for everyone's class and CC options? Do I need to work on a DPS spec first, even though I don't particularly enjoy doing it, just so that I can learn the instance and tank it later?
As for patient people, if you are one, you can probably count yourself among the minority. Most expect you to be an expert on all mechanics of the instance, since you are the tank. Some will even get ticked off and ninja-pull if they think you aren't totally on the ball.
#Then someone's doing SOMETHING wrong. Seriously.#
I say that as someone who did nothing but warrior tank during WoLK. I detested the DPS role, and when asked to re-spec to Fury I'd just excuse myself from the raid. I gave it a shot as Boomkin, and I don't like the feel of it. I'm not at all saying DPS sucks or that Boomkins suck, I just don't like doing it personally. Doesn't mean I'm doing anything wrong. Like I said, to each his own.
Mar 4th 2011 1:11AM #
Mage marks sheep, shaman marks hex, hunter marks trap. Tank: "I don't like it, choose other targets". Players mark new targets. Tank: "I don't like it, choose other targets". Players mark new targets. Tank: "I don't like it, choose other targets". Wouldn't it be faster if tank marked from the very beginning?#
Or if the tank wants to be specific, he says so. Otherwise, doesn't the DPS have any experience with the instance? Won't they know who they ought to be marking anyway? Tanks are expected to know these instances inside and out even if they haven't seen it before. How does the tank get experience without having done it before? Watching someone else on youtube doesn't quite cut it.
Is it that hard to type /p to switch to group chat and tell players what do you want to be done to marked mobs? "/p sheep moon, hex triangle, repentance circle, please"
At which point they either vote kick you for not knowing the standard, or lose confidence in you and start messing things up.
#If you cannot remember which classes can do what, why don't you ask them? "/p Hi. I don't remember which classes can CC what ;( please tell me what you can do."
See above, they will think you don't know what you're doing, because apparently you have to know their classes as well as they do.
You are doing it wrong.#
To each his own I guess. It's all about building up eclipses, and if I'm just DPS'ing, I feel like a passenger. Please keep up the elitist attitude though :)
Mar 3rd 2011 10:35PM It's not hard to mark, it's hard to memorize each classes CC and memorize the standard that most people expect you to use. DPS could mark their CC targets, and if tank doesn't like it, he can ask them to change their target. I thought cata was about making everyone's job more difficult, not simply offloading more responsibility on the tank. Is freezing trap circle, square, triangle? How am I supposed to know without writing out a cheat-sheet, since it's not labeled in game, and rarely talked about on any of the wow sources I've read. Is it really too much to ask for the DPS to learn their own class instead of expecting the tank to know every cc available from all ~20 or so dps specs?
I've tried dps'ing as Moonkin. It's soooo boring, you're spamming the same few buttons constantly. I get what you mean about damage meters though, I often just throw innervate on the heals. If someone, especially the tank, brings up my position on damage meters, I just make a snarky remark about how I had to innervate the healer.
Mar 3rd 2011 9:14PM What annoys me about the tanking role is that it feels like work. You have to pace every pull, watch group mana in between pulls, watch threat meters and track down straggler adds even though you also have a boss stuck to you. Want to taunt that mob back? Sure, but he'll change direction and run back towards the DPS if you don't hit him with an attack within 2-3 seconds or so. Trying to back-up towards that mob in 3 seconds isn't always possible, especially if you have a pack of mobs on you. Then there are the n00b know-it-all DPS that complain about key-turning, even though mouse turning means turning your back to the boss, a huge no-no.
On top of that, you are supposed to memorize every class' available CC and also memorize which raid icon belongs to which CC. As if tanks didn't have enough on their plate already... It'd be nice if DPS would mark their own CC targets if they wish to use CC instead of off-loading every non-faceroll responsibility on the tank. Why do the DPS have little to no responsibility, other than burning down the occasional add and tabbing and spamming through their spells over and over.
Mar 1st 2011 10:35PM I tried Walk a mile in their shoes yesterday for the first time. I had avoided Tol Barad while I was grinding dailies for all the other cata factions. The one time I tried it, it was completely bugged. The only way to get him to leave the building was to attack mobs and have him charge in to help. Then he would run back in the building in the direction of the jail cell and just stand there in the doorway. After a while, I checked wowhead, saw that many others were having problems with it, so I just gave up on it
Jan 17th 2011 9:12AM I maxed out around 36K during WoLK, and right now I have about 60K, but if I had more gold than I knew what to do with, I know exactly what I would do. I would level alts, and power-level all their professions to 525 until I had every maxed-out profession in the game available. Then I would buy up all the recipes needed, which would cost hundreds of thousands of gold. If I still had too much gold, I'd start manipulating trade good prices on the AH and buying all mats bulk, making it that much harder for my competition to turn any kind of profit.
Jan 13th 2011 4:18PM If you are using intimidating shout, make sure you equip the intimidating shout glyph too so that they tremble in place instead of scattering. If the pack of mobs runs away in fear, chances are they are going to run in the direction of the next group to be pulled, and suddenly you will be dealing with two groups being pulled at the same time.
Jan 9th 2011 10:48PM @danawhitaker
If you haven't started a new character since cataclysm dropped, then you have no idea what you are missing out on. There are so many new quests, and they are grouped together so you can knock off 2 or 3 at the same time, and some of them are actually fun now instead of dealing with most of the quests being a chore-like grind. Add on to that all the new flight-paths, and you'd pretty much have to be trying not to level. I started a troll druid on the second day that this combination was allowed, and within a week (less than 30 hours or so playtime) I was in Outland with him. This improvement to the 1-58 experience was sorely needed, one shouldn't have to tell new players 'Just get through the first 58 levels and it gets better.' I think Blizz had their priorities straight here, although I think we can all agree that they still have some update patching to do.
Jan 3rd 2011 9:51PM I was wondering if they are ever going to allow flying in Azeroth zones added during Burning Crusade? Currently, you can't ride your flying mount in Ghostlands, Eversong woods, Bloodmyst Isle, Azuremyst isle.
Jan 2nd 2011 6:30PM /roll