Jan 14th 2010 3:59PM To straight up answer your question on why hunters shouldn't take leather...
In most cases it's actually a dps loss to take leather because of the loss of intellect. Not only should you get AP boost from the stat (since all raid builds have that talent now), but also you get increased longevity in boss fights. If you stacked multiple pieces of leather on your character there is a very good chance that a hunter stacking mail with lesser gear would have an easy time outperforming you on even medium length boss fights.
If the only thing you ever do is heroics though it wouldn't matter at all. But for raiding it's not a good idea to stack multiple pieces. And with ICC gear....there really is no reason to even have one piece now.
Jan 14th 2010 3:43PM What trinket you need depends on what level of ArmPen you currently are at. With Deathbringer's Will you might be getting to the point where working towards hardcapping the stat (hunters usually try to achieve 800 passive before really going for it) is a better idea than using an ArmPen proc trinket.
If you're working towards hardcapping then the Banner of Victory from 5 man regular ToC is a great filler trinket until you can get either Death's Choice/Verdict or Whispering Fanged Skull.
Jan 14th 2010 3:38PM "Zod's Repeating Longbow confused some with the proc, but suffice to say that it is a great weapon, for a bow, and the proc is indeed a good thing. Yes, you want it."
Meh. I would want it If I solely cared about stacking my toon with the highest item level gear possible. But then I'd be in the same boat as other MM raiding hunters on my server taking haste gear above ArmPen only because it's 264 item level.
Depending on gear Zod is actually a downgrade. For me right now (because of being close to ArmPen hardcap) 258 TogC crossbow is better. I have to wait for the heroic version of the stakethrower for a new upgrade to my ranged weapon slot. And since that gun is 3.00 attack speed...it'll be a sweet upgrade.
Dec 3rd 2009 7:25PM I'll have to take your word for it on BM stacking AP. I haven't played BM since they made the switch to stacking AP again. And we have no raiding BMs in my guild so I've never had to do the research.
That said, the same gemming strategies for MM/SV should apply to BM. MM specifically will gem for yellow sockets when it provides a stat like +4 or +6 agi because the net results from socketing an agi/crit or agi/hit gem will provide an incredibly slight boost. But I've never seen a piece of gear where socketing a purple gem provided a boost w/socket bonus over straight Agi (or in BM's case AP).
Dec 3rd 2009 7:17PM @Brig
Simulating that kind of thing in a spreadsheet will be difficult, so I wish the best of luck to whoever is involved. The problem I think with simulating it is it makes the spreadsheet more complex than people will want. You'd either have to use specific fights as the base example or add an option to choose the length of the encounter (since the longer the fight lasts the more it can change the results).
And even then it will likely be based upon either best possible raid comp. or at least what the person's guild currently offers. A couple changes (i.e. people not showing up and having to be substituted) could seriously change the results making the original recommendation less valid.
Probably why I advise all hunters in my guild to not get overly obsessed with spreadsheets. Best to use them as a general guideline.
Dec 3rd 2009 7:07PM I'm not sure whether the comparison is actually valid or not. Though I'm not incredibly well versed in feral druid gearing. But I was under the impression that melee weapons were more similar to stat sticks than they are for warriors/dks/pallies/rogues than they are for druids. By stat sticks I'm of course referring to that the weapon damage has less meaning.
A warrior rolling against a hunter for nothing more than something that boosts stats is seen as incredibly negative. The reason this is is because the base weapon damage increase for hunters (from going up ranged weapon item levels) is actually significantly more of a boost in dps than indicated on the tooltip.
Not sure if the same is true when a hunter rolls on a druid weapon. For a hunter it really is nothing more than a stat stick (unless they're a melee hunter but that just means they have a whole other set of issues).
I know in my guild runs the feral druid will get preference over a hunter for melee weapons he can use. But guild runs tend to optimize loot more efficiently than pugs.
Dec 3rd 2009 6:44PM @Mighty
In almost all cases hunters should avoid using blue/purple gems in gear. No matter which spec you play. Just use one +10 all stats prismatic gem (which you use to fill the most desirable socket in your gear) and that will meet your meta requirement. You'll find that the socket bonuses past the prismatic one aren't worth socketing if they require a blue/purple. Best to just go straight Agi.
Dec 3rd 2009 6:37PM @ Brig
But those items are pure win for that crucial 'mend pet' gear set :P
Dec 3rd 2009 6:25PM 1 leather item and the loss of mana pool shouldn't pose a serious problem in 25 man raiding (except a couple of the heroic encounters). Over that and even with best possible raid composition you're going to start running into some mana problems. But I'm more speaking from tackling content that is matching gear level.
Like I could probably put on 3 or 4 leather items for a blast through regular ToC with my guild now. But that's because our dps is incredibly overpowered now for regular ToC so we kill things insanely quickly so a larger mana pool just isn't necessary. Would never even consider more than 1 piece of leather while doing heroic attempts. Especially on Anub.
Dec 3rd 2009 6:16PM @Sic
Tried posting this one but I guess it didn't go through.
Depending on what you had originally I doubt the Treads were an actual upgrade. Problem with spreadsheet upgrades is they aren't exactly effective at showing accurate numbers when a loss of mana is part of the downgrade. If you show only a minimal dps upgrade it's more likely that you'll find that it's only an upgrade if you are solely running quick heroics. Most raid encounters you'll find that the minimal stat upgrade is negated by the loss of mana.
Unless you're going from Naxx 10 gear to ToC 10 gear most leather w/expertise items will be a downgrade because of the intellect loss.