Jun 30th 2009 12:55AM This i can get behind 100%.
If you get compromised, 99% of the time, it's your own damn fault. And that 1% of the time when it's not your fault, it's the fault of someone who used the same computer.
That being said, I still don't think it's ok to prey, and profit on another persons ignorance, and (god, never thought I'd say this) I am happy that the Chinese government has made this decision.
Jun 30th 2009 12:49AM There's a big difference between doing something that could feasibly be possible, and something that was CLEARLY exploiting.
Evading mobs and completely removing an aspect of the encounter is worlds different from spell stealing a buff. I'm not denying that spellstealing a buff helped guild A to complete an encounter. But they didn't literally try and break the fight to succeed. They used fully intentional in-game mechanics to facilitate their victory. This whole Yogg-Saron thing is a different story.
They didn't use game mechanics creatively, they broke it. They took something that was clearly a bug, and manipulated it.
Often times, with these types of things, you have to look at them realistically. Did ensidia try to break the game? No, they said "damn. how can we get more DPS for this fight? OH SNAP! THAT BUFF! I be that will work" compared to saying "Damn, Yogg is hard, remember when that mob evaded? something that's never supposed to happen anyways, think we can get all the others to evade too?"
Now, both can be considered exploitation, for sure. If you are using spell steal to solo naxx, I don't think you can do that with a clear head and say "Oh man, blizzard meant for this to happen!" or killing void reaver in 30 seconds when he has a 10 minute enrage? The difference is those people were doing something they knew was wrong, and they repeated it, week after week, trying to 'get away with it'.
Ensidia said "i bet that buff will help!" then immediately told blizzard, they said "This is hard, so we tried this buff, it worked, did you guys mean to do that?" And it was fixed.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not an Ensidia fan, but I don't believe for a second that they intentionally tried to break something to make their lives easier.
Jun 30th 2009 12:23AM ........ OK, Let's let the gold farmers log on to your account, strip all of your characters naked, vendor all of the gear, sell everything in your inventory, bank, guild bank, then transfer your character so they can sell all the gold to someone for 10 bucks, and tell me you don't feel stolen from. It's not the pixels, is the time and effort.
Jun 29th 2009 11:49PM I would feel bad for them. If they were still doing the harmless Farm-in-Tyrs-hand-24/7 stuff. Or even the "exploiting instances" gig. But the second they started literally STEALING people's accounts, and started robbing other players blind in order to make money selling gold to other players? Screw that.
I think it's good the government is getting involved. The simple fact of the matter is that making a profit off of someone else's intellectual property is wrong in the first place. Add stealing from loyal customers to the mix? I don't see how there is any question.
Don't get me wrong. I hope those wonderful people find new jobs, and are able to support their families, and everyone will eat strawberries under the rainbow as butterflies flutter in the sunset. But this is the real world, you're stealing from people, your government recognizes this. You should be thanking your stars that they are giving you a heads up.
Jun 29th 2009 11:34PM Do you really think that they don't have people monitoring these fights? Not to mention logs of every thing that happens at everytime. I really, really doubt that blizz was like "zomg, ensidia didn't get it first. BAN!"
Exploiting gets you In trouble. end of story. If you exploit a battleground, or exploit a boss mechanic, you get handled. Just because there is a bug, does not give you the right to exploit it.
"Look, that car has the keys in it... must be free!!" Unless you're a total dunce, you know when you are doing something against the rules or the spirit of fair play. They knew what they were doing, they got caught. And everyone cries foul.
Bugs happen, things aren't always perfect, Anyone who thinks that it's possible to create something on the scale of WoW and have it be 100% bug free is a fool in the first place. Regardless, it's not acceptable to intentionally use a bug to obtain something as important as a world first.
You cheated. Good Riddance.