Jan 3rd 2011 2:14PM Just one more thing, I just read Cicero's qoute again
"It means, essentially, that exceptions prove that the rule is confirmed in all cases except those excepted. "
That's just cheap reasoning, could I get paid for that?
Coming back to me crow, All crows are black
-> Nimfe finds white crow and says: Not all crows are black, I just found a white one!
-> Cireco and JT say: Naa but I mean like, just, like, all crows are black except for the white one you just found, but the rest is now proven black! (We are pretty good at predicting these things...)
Jan 3rd 2011 2:03PM JT,
First of all, why would Cicero be more right than Frostheim? Cicero lived 2000 years ago and he may have been a philosopher, -actually just a lecturer but whatever- that doesn't mean what he says is right, even so Popper -a philosopher not quite as old as cicero- says a rule is a rule untill proven wrong (exception disproves a rule) so there are many different opinions on that one. And personally, i think that if there is a rule stating: "All crows are black". And i find a white bird i can correctly identify as a crow, then that exception did just disprove the rule. How dare they teach that in your legal schools?!
Moving on, you say: "you can't just say an individual's single experience is irrelevant because all you're doing is gathering up groups of single experiences and looking at them in a larger picture."
Actually you can, all positive sciences work with greater numbers of data. If the data is a personal experience (subjective data), then it will not give an accurate measure of the situation.
Example: if a person writes in his/her diary about an earthquake, and writes it was the most horrible experience they have ever had, would you think of that as true? Maybe, but maybe not... see, this person could be exaggerating the situation (because of the emotional shock), or maybe if a person with a mental disease would write it (thats a reference to the sub-optimal players you want to include in the evidence), that would make the story a lot less plausible.
Now if you would instead have 500 scientists and 500 other villagers write about what they felt and saw during the earthquake, that would probably be a lot more truthful if you wanted to find out what happened during the earthquake.
Now to get back to the data, that he excludes sub-optimal players and 10-man raiders, is not because frostheim hates them (he will probably make a full coverage of 10 man hunter stuff things, right? right!). It is because it makes the data less accurate and that will prevent him from reaching his goal.
OT: Frostheim, you are a great writer, i always read your essays and i find them highly entertaining (more Grandpappy Frostheim plz!). I never really felt the need to post before but i could not let this discussion slip ^^
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