Nov 27th 2007 3:09PM As a Hunter without any gear, you should upgrade your gear first.
You need to be spending your honor on the new epic Vindicator's stuff, as much as you can get. You need to buy the trinket that clears CC.
You should spend your arena points on S3 gear.
You should supplement and fill holes with Kara drops or crafted epics / quested blues.
Saving up to spend your arena points on the S2 weapon is a complete and utter waste. With no resilience sta gear (hunter wants at least 11k HP and 300res) you will never survive long enough to see a different in weapon.
Ability to stay alive first.
Nov 15th 2007 1:22PM Honestly, the patch hasn't provided much of a buff to *arena* hunters. I have taken teams over 2000 rating playing every game, both as Marksman and BM spec, and both in S1 and S2.
It has now been a few weeks of PTR and a few days of 2.3. I still won't use Aimed Shot in arenas except in rare cases. And if the other team is dumb enough to let me get a 3sec cast off, they were going to lose to me anyway. The arcane dispel is nice, although it mostly helps me beat teams faster that I already could beat.
Teams that keep their entire team in my face (melee range) can still take the upper hand and win, as can teams where the healer is very skilled at LoS and pillar play. Virtually all the top teams 2k+ will do one of those two tactics and if they play with equal skill, will beat my teams.
Overall, I may marginally go up in rating, and you may see marginal climb for hunters overall. However, you will not see hunters jump in your percentage graphs (representing higher rated teams).
Sep 29th 2007 7:27PM "I've said before that I enjoy Alterac Valley. Even with my somewhat limited PvP abilities I've managed to rack up thousands upon thousands of HK's in there, ground up enough honor for the HW sword before the expansion came out, and have continue to play through the AFK'ers and into the dawn of this new, glorious age where AFK'ers get much less out of it."
You enjoy AV because you are bad at PvP. AV is not a PvP combat zone and everyone that enters will get those HKs and honor that you feel like you earned. AFKing is just as prevalent now as it was before, they just sit at GYs instead of the cave. It's not a new, glorious age.
Sep 24th 2007 5:12PM I'm never sure just what you're going to write, but unfortunately some things never change - everything you type is utter crap.
The only negative to the otherwise great website that is WoW Insider.
Sep 20th 2007 8:46PM The people that like AV and the people (like you) who admit they are terrible at PvP, are one and the same.
For exactly the reasons you stated. You can do (or not do) whatever you want. And you do. And you get the same rewards either way. It isn't a competitive environment, it isn't even PvP. It's do whatever you want for 15mins, and we give you currency to buy epic Veteran gear.
Until they change that, no one good at PvP will enjoy it. And until they change that, there will be plenty of afkers. And when they do, people like you won't like it anymore because you'll die without being any use, just like the arena and WSG examples you gave.
Sep 19th 2007 5:06PM Ugh. Not much else to say.
Kiting Drakk is your idea of being good? It was merely a test of whether you should delete your hunter or not. I couldn't even make it through half of this drivel-ridden article.
The epic quest was a good test of skill. Tranq was something that made a hunter more raid-necessary, Drakk could be done by competent groups without kiting.
Anyway, we're in a fine PvE state right now as one of the best raid-dps classes.
Sep 13th 2007 12:31AM #36, you miss the point. I'll state again, you don't want to group with anyone like the people BRK directed this article at. People who do not know how to itemize their hunter, are wearing strength and spirit gear, etc. Levelling to 70 while grouping with friends and your guild should bring you above that knowledge.
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As far as adding to the conversation instead of bashing the article ... I'd rather he just wrote a different article. Or I'd rather someone else wrote one actually.
Like many have suggested, a better article might be where to find some oft-missed quests that give rewards, or what crafters to look for to get decent stuff made.
For example: You've just hit 70. Don't forget these two great quests for rings you'll use pre-Kara:
- Quest "Dissention Amongst the Ranks ..." Shadowmoon Valley, solid dps ring
- Quest "Deathblow to the Legion" Netherstorm, another solid dps ring
Another example. Mentioning some often overlooked crafted items like Felfury Gauntlets, that just require some farming and one primal nether off a Blacksmith.
People note that the shoulder is a hard spot to fill for a pre-endgame raiding hunter. A good solution is to buy one of the cheapest arena reward items, the shoulderpiece. You can get it in 3-4 weeks of arena-ing (for the standard, subpar-in-PvP hunter, faster otherwise).
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An article with a collection of those kinds of tips would need no negative comments at all. To the article that was written, however, I would not take back any of the comments I made.
Sep 12th 2007 6:10PM Oh no #19, your hunter wouldn't run Kara with me ...
I still stand by my statement: If you are itemizing for shaman gear by accident at 70, or need help finding out about Valanos' Bow, etc ... then you don't deserve to be playing the class.
Yes. I do expect that in the time it took you to level to 70 with your friends and guild, you figured out how to gear yourself adequately to start running Karazhan.
A hunter is only finding this article helpful if A) He will never be any good - don't group with him, or B) He just bought his 70 and has no idea what he's doing.
And anyway #19, I haven't set foot in Kara in months. Keep practicing in there, I'm sure BRK will give you some more tips soon.
Sep 12th 2007 3:20PM If people can't gear themselves up to this level within their first week or two of hitting 70 *without help* then they don't deserve to play the class. They don't need advice.
Anyone that needed this advice for the right gear to buy, isn't going to be worth grouping with even after they get this gear you suggested.
Sep 8th 2007 5:11PM PS - but I must concede Phaelia is right. The cumulative effect over time, the impact of the ideas she speaks about have largely caused the situation. Many of the better PvPers roll or re-roll Horde.
Such that in any given "pickup" match of all solo queuers, Horde have much more experienced (and usually more skilled) players.