Apr 3rd 2012 10:26PM I wish I could thumbs up Shinae's comment until it was some crazy awesome color. Completely agree and well said.
Apr 3rd 2012 10:16PM "You're right, body image is an issue for men -- which is why it's important that both genders take these issues seriously when they arise. Helping one will, in the long term, help the other. If men only go to bat for men and vice versa, things will never improve for either side (or anything that falls in between.)"
Apr 3rd 2012 10:13PM "Glorifying the female form is not the mindset of the designers of that armor. Don't pretend they are noble, it's being done because they want to appeal to the young hormonal teens."
Apr 3rd 2012 10:07PM I just wanna say, I am lovin' me some WoW Insider Men right now. It's really refreshing to see so many guys from WoW Insider and in general post about this topic with such respectful and thoughtful views. You guys are real class-acts.
Apr 3rd 2012 10:01PM @Nick - I completely agree. Perfectly put.
Apr 3rd 2012 9:58PM Totally agree, Alex.
Apr 3rd 2012 9:46PM There are many different opinions on this matter and even on this post, but I have to say that I think it's brave of the author to express himself so openly, knowing very well how strongly many individuals feel about this topic. And, while I might agree with some points and disagree with others, I'm not offended by this article at all; and, I actually think it's cool to have this subject brought up for discussion. I think it's great to play devil's advocate sometimes and hear another person's point of view. Everyone has a different perspective, especially with regards to more controversial topics, like this one.
I roll female characters almost entirely. I don't have anything against making male toons, but growing up in the 80s and loving video games to death, especially RPGs, I rarely had the opportunity to be a heroine. Instead, I was always the hero, rescuing the girl. And, there's nothing wrong with that, but after so long, it can get old. Plus, I'm a girl and I like being a girl. So, I like playing female characters. It's really that simple. Although, male Gnomes are pretty freaking amazing, as are male Dwarves, Tauren, Pandaren, and Draenei.
Sometimes, I want to be the damsel in distress; and, as someone whose hero is Susan B. Anthony, I'm okay with that. At the same time, more often than not, I'd prefer to be the hero of my own story. I'd like to think I'm strong, independent, and smart. I'd love to play a console game where I rescue the prince for a change. ;3 But, that's neither here nor there.
I'm not deeply offended by the fact that the females, in most games, end up in skimpy versions of gear. But, that doesn't mean it isn't sexist. It is sexist, lol. But, the problem is, it's a complex issue. Is it wrong that some girls think skimpy is sexy? Of course not. Is it wrong then, that some of those same girls, don't know that non-skimpy can be sexy, too? Not wrong, but it is sad, sure. It's -such- a complex discussion, honestly. I don't even think I can sum it up.
Personally, I think non-skimpy is great, but skimpy is okay, too. But, I've always felt that a knee-length skirt is just as, if not sometimes more, sexy than a mini skirt. But, both have their moments and both have their places. It's not what you wear that makes you sexy, it's how you wear it and the way you carry yourself. Of course, this applies to real life and not video games, lol.
With video games, the point is more, does my female character need to be sexy? Isn't she fighting baddies and hanging tough? And, if so, why would she choose to do that in a metal bra and thong? Did it escape her that she might be cleaved by a burly warrior and that gear doesn't exactly give her much protection? But, then you have people who say "It's a game, it's not meant to be serious." And, then there are those folks with the most understandable rebuttals to such a comment. Again, I say, it's complex.
However, I will say this, I do think the main reason gear for females tends to be so revealing on average, is because the developers know that most game audiences will tip the scales with guys over girls. And, possibly the developers tip the scales with men over women, as well. Plus, they know that lots of female players like their female characters to be scantily clad; they don't care if it's sexist. Or, they know it's sort of sexist, but simply aren't offended by it, so they really don't voice an opinion one way or another. And, some will disagree that it is sexist all together. I just wish there was more choice, personally. To each his own. Just don't limit me.
And, I think some women get offended when they're told that skimpy gear is sexist. Because, they misunderstand what a lot of people are saying. No one is saying it's sexist and wrong for a woman to like barely-there gear or for a woman to feel her toon is sexy or attractive, in such gear. The reason it's sexist is because that's not how a woman should have to look in a game to be interesting. She shouldn't have to be objectified physically, to make it okay that she's being strong and heroic. She should be just as strong and heroic, if she's wearing a potato sack. But, unfortunately with the media today and the way society currently sees beauty, you're going to be hard pressed to find heroic females who wear potato sacks. Again, though, this is such a long discussion. I think this area alone deserves its own article. x3 And, I don't think WoW is as guilty of this as other games, for sure. WoW is very friendly with the gear, I think.
The things I'm most bothered by are how the female models, such as the Worgen and Pandaren, get so much less attention than the males'. I honestly can't help but feel that the whole thing with the models is pretty sexist. If you look at the male Pandaren, that body is entirely new. That's his own and no other race in the game has that exact body. But, I'm pretty sure the female is just a reskinned, resized, and slightly tweaked female dwarven body. And, the thing is, that's fine! I like my Dwarven gals and I like the female Pandaren body. But, it's obvious which one mattered most.
The male body was given attention. It was created from the bottom up and the female's wasn't. The male Worgen's face is effing amazing and the female's is what it is and we all know what it is. There was no reason for that to happen, except the females mattered less. Why do we always see male models at Blizzon in the reveals, but never females? Because, they work on the male's first, of course. And, why do they do that?
That honestly ticks me off. If you can't do something right, don't do it at all. Give me both the male and female models or don't give me either. Plan on devoting enough time, beforehand, so you can do so. But, they know that more guys play WoW than girls. That doesn't say anything negative about girls. It doesn't mean that girls can't be great gamers or that it's a "guy thing." It means that there are simply more males that play WoW than there are females. And, they cater to guys over girls, in the way I mentioned above. I don't think it's intentionally sexist. I don't think that the staff at Blizzard and other game companies are being jerks about this. I think they're just not really giving it all that much thought, to be perfectly honest. So, am I offended? Not really. Am I annoyed? Sure.
As for the sexism in-game, that's a whole other can of worms. I don't care about the vent voice thing. That's just silly stuff. What I hate is how it's often assumed I'm a bad player or will be innately worse than the average male player, because I have ovaries. There are girls who aren't good, there are guys who aren't good. But, don't -assume- I'm bad, just because I'm female. That's just being a tool. And, if a girl turns out to be bad, it's not because she's a girl. It's because she's just not that good. Maybe she will be in time or maybe she will never be all that good. Who knows, but gender has nothing to do with it.
That's not even the worst of it, though. THE WORST is how it's assumed that because I'm a female player, that I will -use- my feminine wiles to dupe innocent guys into giving me free gear, farming for me, giving me their gold, and/or buying me things. I'm someone who likes cute things. I collect pets, I love mounts, and I use the " :3 " face, whenever I damn well please. And, what's even more vile are the girls who hate on other girls, for being less than one of the boys. Like, they are cooler or more worthy of things, because they aren't "girly" sometimes or because they don't use words like cute or adorable. Girls being crappy to other girls is just so gross, in my opinion. Where's the solidarity, sisters? I can be one of the guys, if I want to and I can be one of the girls if I want to, as well. People are multifaceted like that.
My biggest beef right now is the female Pandaren face, though. I'm not asking for it to change. Let's keep that face for all the players who love it, girls and guys alike. But, I don't enjoy the current muzzle. I like the male's muzzle. It's more panda-like and awesome. The girl's is more silly and chipmunk-like. I can tell she' a girl, she doesn't need to be overly cutesy for me to see that she's the one with boobs. All I want are options to have different faces with changes to the features.
Apr 1st 2012 9:23PM Oh my goodness. I feel so weird saying this, but that interview was sort of adorable. And, towards the end of it, I just couldn't get over how much Dave Kosak reminded me of Marty's dad, in BTTF (at the end of the first movie, when he's cooler). He's got the same feel to him, I swear. What a great video, so funny and endearing, actually.
Mar 30th 2012 10:35PM I really really hope, in time, we'll see face options like we have with every other race, except the Worgen. I think markings and embellishments are great, but they're definitely not enough. Take the night elves, for example. They can change their actual face/features, but they also have markings, ears(embellishments like jewelry) and skin color. I feel like Pandaren could easily the same things. They only gave us one face with the Worgen and I'm pretty sure that's why the female Worgen thing turned into such a big deal. If there had been options for the face, then that would've been different. But, to only be given one face is really not fun.
I can't imagine them making the same mistake that they did with the Worgen a second time. But, who knows. It seems silly, though, that all of the older races have options to change their face (as in features and expressions), but the Worgen did not and now the Pandaren may not. Yet, Goblins could. It's just confusing. I know that the staff at Blizzard are capable of amazing things, so it can't be that it's just too hard to give different faces for beastly races. I just can't fathom that.
I'm just trying to stay hopeful that players are being heard, regarding this issue and that we'll see something positive, as the beta progresses. Even if ears just affected facial features, the way they do in Goblins, that would be acceptable. As long as I can change my female's muzzle, man. The male's is so perfect and already designed and in the game, so why not slap that on the female and make it a second option? Seems easier than designing a whole new one, even. I have my fingers crossed!
Mar 30th 2012 8:24PM I actually feel the same way; I could swear I remember there being more weather, back in the day. I love it when I'm out in the world and it starts to rain. It's such a cool feeling.