Jan 1st 2012 8:24PM As a Thrall fan and having been so since wc3, I was both thrilled at the prospect of Thrall getting some good character development, as well as fearing how the story was taken in the direction it was, as in changing the horde from what it meant to what it was.
Thrall himself to changed, and to my horror, people began to go from loving Thrall as there warchief, to hating him as this neutral character.
I still love him, but in an odd way I kind of agree with those saying it was pushed to much on one single character as he. I realised, alliance players arn't going to give a crap about Thrall being the big hero in this, and he is meant to be the orc who made the horde what it was, so why was metzen pushing this so hard, instead of finding a more balanced way to telling it.
Fact was, Thrall should have not just moved himself away from the horde so completely, this whole thing of him doing all this for azeroth, felt to rushed, when for years all Thrall did was for his people, the horde he made. To much change, and people weren't happy with it.
All I hope is that metzen will get over his midlife crisis he was having when that development came in, stop with this bs of Thrall being neutral, kick Garrosh out of the horde and get Thrall back leading them again.
Nov 30th 2011 9:06PM Those post reeks of alliance bias. The whole thing looks like its written by a butthurt alliance fanzie who didn't like how the horde gained some ground in cata where they had less then the alliance before it.
Well boo hoo, its a two sided coin sunshine.
Sep 1st 2011 8:41PM Can see this now, a knaak book, yet another alliance heavy book with more demonizing of the horde as the evil lord of the rings rip off characters, which is all knaak is able to do with these characters.
To him, good guys are always humans, elves and all alliance races, well all horde are mindless savages. Now the funny thing is people say Christie golden is a horde fangirl, but she actully writes the alliance with a level of integrity in her books, well Knaak just seems to skim over anything to do with the horde. He's a boring writer and I can't stand his books.
Jan 17th 2011 12:39AM Funny, cause I've seen it another way completely. I read the shattering, I did the questlines in cata, and at the end of it all, all I saw in character was a complete tool of a character, being manufactured for the people crying for WAR in WARcraft, nevermind the story.
His character development is terrible, and his reason for becoming warchief is shallow. This whole thing of him needing to apparently prove himself as a leader, even though he's warchief Now, is a massive flaw to the whole thing, because every other faction leader I can think of so far has had a genuine reason to be a leader, either by the death of there superior, or forced into it to protect there people. Garrosh had none of this, and now he's meant to somehow learn how to be a leader when already the leader of one of the most powerful faction on azeroth? Its bullcrap.
If I hadn't joined and played as the horde for the last 5 years, at this moment there honestly would be nothing to make me want to join it now, because the most intresting thing that made me want to play horde was that feeling of playing a faction overcoming its past mistakes. At of cata, those mistakes have come full circle, and Garrosh is one of the major reasons for it.
And one other thing, remembering Metzen's claim that Garrosh was Thralls foil and simply used as part of a much larger story? And saying to be fixated on Garrosh? In the last 5 months all they've droned out is nothing BUT Garrosh and forcing people to pay attention to him. So honestly, talking out your arsh there Metzen.
Jan 17th 2011 12:27AM Well gee Drakkenfyre, I thought given peoples narrow assumption of a character like Thrall claiming he's a mary sue because they don't look more indepth at his character was what this argument was based on, so in which sense I can just as well say someone like Velens an airhead without needing to look deeper into the lore to find out why that could be wrong. I mean why should be be wrong if I make that assumption based on lack of knowledge right?
Do you get the point?
Jan 16th 2011 11:53PM Thrall Isn't a sue. People using the term sue without actully looking deep enough into the character are short sighted and, frankly, tools. I for one can claim that Garrosh is a tool, saying 'I think he's a tool because I haven't bothered to look more into his character, thus, I must be right that he's a tool'.
If you people actully used a brain and read the indepth lore to a character like Thrall, you'd find he does have flaws, he isn't all powerful, and he does make mistakes, and thus makes his a more ground character then airheads like Varian or Velen. But then, people who can't see this are just saying they lack the ability to look at things indepth, so its more that own fault then anything.
Jan 16th 2011 11:22PM This whole subject just makes me lose any faith I once had with the horde and why I spent years defending it.
At the base of everything, I felt like I was defending a faction that had redeemed itself from its past sins and actully had a hope it was better then it was. The odd dark or twisted quest giver didn't make me lose any faith in that.
But this now garrosh lead horde and its extention has just turned that right around, and from being a loyal defender of things like orgrimmar and horde camps, i've turned over to just saying 'let the alliance have it'.
Garrosh, is a terrible character. He's a steamrolled and retconned tool of a mechanic to make a war story in warcraft. And the sad joke is how many people fall for it so easily without seeing it.
The reason why the horde felt so much better then the alliance is because it's ideals were about real brotherhood and real honor, not divided morals or changing the meaning of honor to suit yourself. Its like 'I'm an orc, I can kill whoever I like now and call that honor!'. It was never about that, and yet its gone this way. Why are people so slow to pick up on this fact?
And by the share fact that Thrall banded the horde together as one, well Garrosh as divided the horde to the point of distancing the leaders from him, and at a time of great war, just shows how single minded Garrosh really is.
By all means, follow a tool of a character all you want just so it appeals to your lack of morals or decency, cause thats all Garrosh gives to this story.
Apr 4th 2010 10:08PM Covering on the subject of Thrall and Garrosh here. The fact of how the horde remains strong like it does requires a huge level of acceptance for each race to the other, being even old hatreds that elves and trolls once had had to be forgotten in order for both races to become allies in such things. Thrall and his deplomacy ensured that, but it would seem Garrosh would forget all ties made between the races he deems as 'weak' and make the horde weaker for it.
Fuck it blizzard, stop screwing around. Make Thrall into the lion he was in warcraft 3, have him put Garrosh in his place, and take action to secure his peoples survival.