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15 Minutes of Fame: Progressive guild thrives under uncommon leadership team {WoW}

Sep 30th 2011 6:20AM "To those who are trashing the guild, calling us some kind of bastion of ideological intolerance, an echo chamber, and so forth, you are wrong. And not just about this particular guild, but about other things. You're wrong to judge a group you do not understand. About one you have never visited. About labels you apply without knowing what they are. You see an inclusive group as an exclusive one. You imagine yourself some kind of hero while you make common cause with monsters. And with this knowledge, I curse you: We want to be a haven for people who want to be free from daily hatred, casual prejudice, and willful ignorance. And you could not abide us."

Yep, that will convince 'em!

15 Minutes of Fame: Progressive guild thrives under uncommon leadership team {WoW}

Sep 30th 2011 6:10AM I like how this was the only line that got any attention;

"Not to generalize too much, but this is typical of the Left."

@Invierna
Nowhere did I say that this guild shouldn't have a "section of the World of Warcraft universe to themselves." I play this game to get away from the political circus and can fully appreciate someone else doing the same.

This article was not posted in a vacuum, however, and when you're spotlighted primarily for being a guild tied together by common political purpose, said politics become very much part of the conversation.

By your logic, you imply that because they have to "deal with comments like mine" (opposing viewpoints, oh no!) on a daily basis that when an article like this, which devotes a good chunk of space to talking about said politics, I should just keep my opinions to myself.

If the article had just mentioned in passing how the group was formed and then went right into talking about WoW and all things WoW related, I doubt this would be such a touchy subject. However, nearly half the questions in this article pertained to the Daily Kos, and contained unnecessary pokes at political opposition.

That right there is the contention I have with this article. I don't see why that is such a hard concept to grasp.

15 Minutes of Fame: Progressive guild thrives under uncommon leadership team {WoW}

Sep 29th 2011 11:35PM Mr. Griffin,

I was not preemptively labeling disagreement as "trolling". I was simply being realistic with the nature of the internet. To think that a conservative espousing his opinion in a column about a liberal guild would not be subject to some level of trolling would be naive at best.

Don't take my precautionary comments as any indication that I would not be interested in an honest discussion.

As far as my "selective editing" goes, I fail to see how the omission of the words "In the past", the snarky comment about how the GOP won't compromise on anything, (even though for the first two years of this current administration the Democrats had a super majority and refused to work with the GOP, going so far as the POTUS saying "I won the election."), or your guilds labeling of any conservative viewpoint as a "talking point" actually hurts my point.''

Heck, I thought I was doing you a favor by ignoring those last two examples, as they simply serve to make you look petty.

Anyway, my point still stands. You accuse me of projecting racist and/or homophobic thoughts simply because I say that I disagree with your politics. Not to generalize too much, but this is typical of the Left.

Also, this comment right here;

"And we do not right wing talking points. Not We don't allow right wing talking points because all that they are racist, sexist or homophobic slurs."

Actually, I'm not even going to remark on it because I think it speaks for itself.

If the article was purely about WoW and raiding, I doubt this would have been an issue. But it wasn't.

15 Minutes of Fame: Progressive guild thrives under uncommon leadership team {WoW}

Sep 29th 2011 11:10PM No one said anything about individuals being gkicked.

And as far as "when a purported conservative is being criticized for expressing racist, homophobic, or sexist view"...

Did you know that Tea Party members are called racist because they don't like the Presidents policies? Did you know that they are also called racist because Herman Cain won a straw poll for the Republican nomination in Florida this week, because according to the liberal sage Janeane Garafalo conservatives only voted for him to hide their racism?

No matter what conservatives do, someone, somewhere, is going to call them a racist for it. It is a no-win situation.

But I digress.

My complaint was that the GM seems to see any political view, other than her own, as an intolerant one. While that is fine and dandy for her and the running of her guild, more power to them, it boggles my mind why WoWInsider decided to spotlight such an powderkeg of topic without offering any semblance of balance. Instead, the columnist sits on the sidelines and acts as a stenographer.

15 Minutes of Fame: Progressive guild thrives under uncommon leadership team {WoW}

Sep 29th 2011 8:24PM I'm sorry, but I must protest.

You have a disclaimer asking that commenters refrain from political discussion, yet a large chunk of this article is talking about the Daily Kos and involves a guild leader taking cheap swipes at people with whom she disagrees with politically.

I found this particularly galling...

"...some conservatives who were in the guild because of friends challenged us, saying while we claim to be tolerant toward diversity, we weren't tolerant of different political views....

It's not about tolerance. We absolutely do not allow any comments in guild chat or Vent that are racist, sexist, or homophobic..."

The GM makes a blanket generalization that anyone to the right of her politically is automatically racist, sexist, or a homophobe, and you don't say a thing about it. How you thought that no one would be insulted by this article is beyond me. Granted, I'm not expecting hard hitting journalism here, but I am beyond disappointed.

Alas, I seem to be swimming against the current as far as the comments go, so now that I've said my piece I'll end it here and await the trolling.

Afterall, it is the internet.

Security flaw allows addons to expose full real life names without user permission {WoW}

Jul 6th 2010 4:08PM I lean more towards choice number one. I gave my information to Blizzard and was assured that said information would remain confidential. What they are doing is a blatant disregard for that confidentiality.

If there were mechanics to make this an option rather than a mandate, I doubt that there would be the fervor that we are seeing about it now.

Security flaw allows addons to expose full real life names without user permission {WoW}

Jul 6th 2010 4:01PM We shouldn't have to give Blizzard a fake name. When I started playing this game, four years ago, I agreed to the ToS and was under the impression that my personal information was going to remain private. Nowhere was it stated that I was signing that information over to Blizzard so that they could do what they please with it further down the road.

This is a unilateral decision by Blizzard to broadcast information that apparently most of their player base thought was confidential.

Why there is such hostility from people such as yourself, who seem to think privacy on the internet is a bad thing, I will never know.

Security flaw allows addons to expose full real life names without user permission {WoW}

Jul 6th 2010 3:51PM Then hold the offending parties that leaked your "supposedly" private information accountable and demand results instead of just shrugging your shoulders and saying "Oh well".

Official forum changes, real life names to be displayed {WoW}

Jul 6th 2010 12:39PM So in an attempt to somehow quell the trolls, which will never happen, Blizzard decides to discourage people who don't want their personal information put on display from posting on the official forums.

There needs to be an mechanic that makes posting your real name optional, otherwise this is a horrible idea.