Sep 29th 2010 2:40PM No. The reason they came to Azeroth was not because Draenor was dying. If Draenor wasn't dying, they were still coming to Azeroth because that was the plan. Sargeras possessed Aegwynn's body and transferred to Medivh's body and possessed him while Sargeras' Lieutenants worked on the other end to raise an army to invade Azeroth. Draenor was dying in the first place because of the actions that the horde were doing themselves. They didn't wake up one day and see Draenor was dying: their world dying was just a side-effect of the preparations they were making to invade Azeroth in the first place.
Sep 23rd 2010 6:31AM There is a difference between Grom and Doomhammer. Grom was an unabashed, ambitous, blood-thirsty murdering monster. He killed because he liked it. He killed to test himself and prove that was worthy of accolades. He drank the demon's blood to increase his own power making him an even more unstoppable force. So on top of his already hostile nature, now he has the influence of demon blood in his system. But then one day he looks around himself and realizes that there is more going on than just him being a great warrior that leaves the bodies of hundreds in his wake. He sees what the burning legion has not only done to himself but his people as well. He sees how his people have been reduced to nothing but shells of what used to be an independent and vibrant race. Then a light clicks on in his head and he realizes that he has helped lead everyone down this path of destruction for his own selfish desires. He sees this and takes steps to not only redeem himself from the curse of the demon blood, but his people.
This guys isn't as easy an egg to crack open. He's not as simple minded as Grom is. He can see the man behind the curtain pulling the strings. He too has a need and desire to prove himself. He's the heir to a clan that has a strong history. Whereas Grom was more upfront and honest about wanting to kill anything and taking advantage of Ner'zhul's warnings about the draenai to go to war against them and slay as many as he could, Orgrim told himself that "it was for his people", when it was actually serving his interests as well. He had met with Velen and knew that they posed no threat to the orcs. When Helllscream was the first to take the demon blood from the chalice, Orgrim knew better. He knew that the blood would erode any rational thought that he was capable of making and enslave him to the burning legion. Here is the difference between the two leaders. Orgrim was just as responsible for leading his people and his world to the chaos that followed due to the fact that not only did he suspect vicous intent behind what his people were being ordered to do, but he didn't partake of the same maddening demon blood that would control the minds of the orcs from that day forward. Where the orcs became enslaved to the legion through the blood of Manneroth, everything Orgrim did was of his own free will. But even though he retained his free will, unlike Durotar, he went with the flow of things. He was a coward hiding behind the pretense of "for my people", when he like Durotar realized what was going on but unlike Durotar, didn't take the stand that was needed. Durotar was banished for his trouble.
Grom became known as the redeemer because he overcame the murderous rage pulsating in his blood and his own selfish desires to do what was best for his people. Yes he did backslide at times, but when he came to himself he was even more ashamed of himself and motivated to free his people from the curse he helped bring on them. He is the sinner who found salvation. Orgrim is the guy that was gifted with perception but was unable to take any action when it counted that could've altered the flow of events that transpired. You say they had no choice but to kill the humans when they came to Azeroth? No, he was following orders. They didn't come there to find another home. They were sent there, ordered there, to take over and make it easier for the burning legion to come take Azeroth. The others were subjucated through the demon blood, Orgrim did it out of his own free will.
Sep 21st 2010 2:32PM @ Matt P
Sep 21st 2010 2:28PM @ Ravenjet
Just so you know I am very much the Marvel comics buff and very much enjoyed that Age of Apocalypse series. I stopped reading Marvel though when I saw what an utter disregard the new authors had for the history of the characters they were dealing with. AoA to me was great in that in the end, everything went back to normal and you could see some characters from a different angle. ie Colossus, Richtor, and Archangel both as villians per se. Plus hands down one of the best Magnetos scenes.....when he puts his hands together, and rips a certain someone apart from head to toe. Wonderful!
Sep 21st 2010 2:17PM What you guys are missing is that he may have purposely been mimicking the FFVII style of storytelling. As I watched this, that's exactly what I was reminded of. Slow development, the "WTF is going on here" feel to it, the not so great graphics, and the music. If this was his intention, then he hit the nail square on the head.
Sep 19th 2010 9:23PM Medivh is one of my favorite characters in world of warcraft. I've always had great interest in complex characters that even though they may be labeled as a "villian" can actually be people that you sympathize with once you see the hardships they have had to endure. ie Magneto taking up the cause of mutant kind after he himself saw how discrimination and racism affected his friends, family, and loved ones just because they were jewish in the nazi concentration camps. Medivh is similar except the fact that he was possessed by a demon, and not just a demon, the most powerful demon in existence. The thing that gets me is that outside of the few people in the know, everyone who knows anything about Medivh believes him to be a traitor. They believe him to be the greatest villain ever never knowing that the last Guardian was from day 1 sharing his body, mind, and soul to a demon ex Titan eons of years old. Nothing he did was of his doing. His best friends Lothar and Wrynn went to their deaths believing that their childhood friend was indeed the evil man he appeared to be at the time. This to me is one of the most tragic stories in this lore and the reason why I love it so much. As a matter of fact, anyone who ever beat Metal Gear III and saw the 2 hour ending knows exactly what I'm talking about