Feb 17th 2011 4:53PM My girlfriend used to knock WoW and more specifically it's players. I had only played it for a month or two and then left my account dormant for a couple years - but I'm always of the mind you shouldn't knock something until you try it, so I re-activated the account and told her to have a play for a few days.
2 years later we each have 3 level 85s (as well as several other 70+ toons), run a prog raiding guild, downed pretty much everything there was to down in WotLk several times over etc etc.
Lots of people misrepresent the game or make assumptions, if they're open to it, try a little education by participation.
Jan 24th 2011 5:04PM The guild I'm in started it's life from a guild split, basically myself and a few others weren't happy with the trewatment our female members received or the priorities if the guild. We left and setup our own guild, we never poached but people did ask to come with us. Anyway, it all got quite heated, the former guild leader going as far as to say we were nothing without him etc etc. He would get people still in guild to try and sign alts up with us to "spy". All very pathetic.
After a month, he and his old guild faction changed because apparently all " Alliance pugs are crap" and never achieved a thing. Within 4 months we - mostly people who hadn't raided before Wrath - were 8/12 ICC Heroic. And we almost always had atleast 2 pugs in our runs.
Anyway, my point is, the best way to shut people up is to out do them. This doesn't have to be through progression or gear levels. Look at what you and your members want from a guild and make that your measure: if it's a happy and fun community aiming to learn and progress together, then I'd say you've already won. And as you can see from my story, spite and pettiness ends up making you a hideous horde loser =P
Jan 17th 2011 5:31PM This topic is actually pretty close to my heart. Our guild did pretty well in WotLK, but we could have done better if we weren't constantly flexing and giving in to everyone's requests. We had players only able to raid two weeks a month, ones who refused to use microphones (for valid reasons), we kept pushing our raid times back to suit one or two people etc. Like I said, we progressed, but things could have been easier.
For Cata, we restructured heavily: reduced the number of officers to two, gave them specific roles, defined guidelines and we've just put out a Ready Check (anyone who doesn't read the forum and acknowledge that they're all flasked up, geared up etc won't raid). We'll soon find out if it makes a difference - we start full time raiding this week - but from an Officer/GM point of view, it's a massive relief knowing that if people still choose to come under-prepared or ignore the general guidelines, we've got it in writing that a) we expect XYZ and b) you agreed to those conditions before signing up and before raiding.
We still put real life first and know that things happen that affect people's availability or ability to raid at their peak, but one thing we learned the hard way last expac was that the rest of the team should suffer for one persons issues. If their situation is that dire that it can't be helped, then perhaps they should be more concerned with that, than a game.
I definitely recommend getting your expectations written up and let people decide themselves if it's the kind of place they're happy in - you probably will lose a couple players, but at least you have extras up your sleeve, its a luxury we didn't have.
Jan 13th 2011 8:57PM It's funny that this should come up. I think SC is universally despised. We have a theory in guild that Blizzard is playing mind games with us:
I hadn't seen Deadmines heroic until about 2 or 3 weeks ago. The first time in there was brutal - not even so much the bosses, but the trash. I'm a healer and some of the stuff in there was just an intense experience to heal through, even with CC (for the mobs that CAN be CC'd). I got it for my random 4 days in a row. But after a run or two we were clearing it in about 40 minutes with 0 deaths.
I'm pretty sure someone at Blizz saw this and decided to mess with me for their ammusement, because then, 6 days in a row, I got Stonecore Heroic. Usually, we just drop group and re-queue later if it pops up, since even with an experienced group it can still be hard - I dislike blaming latency, but there are mechanics in there that will one shot you and are not at all friendly to Aussies running on 300-500ms latencies.
Good to see some of the changes in 4.0.6 will improve this though.
But I like to imagine there are Game Masters our there, watching what we ants are doing, and shifting things to see if they can make us cry.... merciless Gods, they are.
Dec 30th 2010 7:44PM PICK ME!!!!
Dec 24th 2010 11:05AM Haha! One of our officers is a healer who does the same thing. We've tried telling her it sets a bad example but she is usually not watching chat because Glee is on.
That show owes my guild bank about eleventy-million gold in repairs.
Dec 24th 2010 9:43AM I think we can all agree it's definitely the DPS' fault in this xpac.
Dec 24th 2010 8:24AM Lag is online gamings version of getting a Doctor's certificate. Everyone suspects you're lying, but neither your boss nor the doctor can prove (nor do they want to attempt to) whether or not you have the runs.
I tanked WotLK so I just blamed the healer for everything. Now I'm healing Cata I blame EVERYONE.
Dec 22nd 2010 7:35PM I usually do my normals, and now heroics, in guild groups. But on nights when we have an imbalance of online members (like 1 tank and 3 healers) I usually opt to drop out and pug.
I've been fairly lucky and got quite a few runs with other guilds who are missing a healer. But one group I had last night made me cry. No CC was used in BRC, we got up to Beauty and I asked the tank what the story was with his guild not liking CC. He told me:
"CC is a crutch used by underskilled and undergeared people to get them through fights they shouldn't be in. Truly skilled people know how to defeat trash without CC"
I didn't know how to react. I had been doing 8.5K HPS, going OOM EVERY pull and using every trick in the book to keep people alive. We hadn't wiped yet, but I figured going in to Beauty without CC would be suicide. Turns out he did indeed believe that we should do Beauty without any form of control. It took my begging and his guildies refusal to engage without CC for him to actually do it. Needless to say it was easy.
I just don't understand how people can ignore that FACT that, as the OP said, these encounters are designed around CC and not AoE tanking.