Apr 4th 2011 4:26PM Hello from Rhii formerly of I Sheep Things, I am now blogging at Oh My, Kurenai! (www.ohmykurenai.com) General Wow, with undercurrents of healing and mages please. :)
Thanks for throwing this out there, I was not aware that you guys even had this resource site, what a fantastic list!
Mar 22nd 2011 2:58PM @Kozuu I am forced to conclude that you don't know what "objectifying" means. *roll eyes*
Mar 22nd 2011 2:01PM @Kozuu I'm not advocating objectifying anyone. I tried to say that when smutty romance novels were mentioned. But @TekkaGules's original comment basically said that it's OKAY because it's not just women. And it's not okay.
AND it is overwhelmingly women who are objectified by men, across all types of media. The men in many video games are idealized, yes. They are buffed up and unrealistic. But they are not half-naked sex objects dangled in front of women with their sexy bits exaggerated and wobbling. Saying there's no objectification of men is clearly false. Saying that it's evenly distributed between the genders is also clearly false.
Mar 22nd 2011 11:44AM @(Unverified) This article isn't a generalization, it's an analysis. Do you think analysis hurts everyone? Because if you do, there's no point in continuing. I'm going to presume you see the value of analyzing things, however and go on.
The difference between gender objectification in games (and other media) and the fact that you kill things in games when it's obviously not okay to kill people in real life is simple. The gender objectification is in the game because the on some level the developers' attitude is that it IS okay in real life. The killing is there precisely because it's NOT okay in real life. One is a real life attitude seeping into the game, while the other is a fantasy outlet for something that's not acceptable in reality. There is a real difference there.
And finally, you're missing the big comparison between car/motorcycle enthusiasts and gaming culture: Those outside the hobbies see both groups as man-boys. The fascination with "biker babes" doesn't help erase the popular perception that both are concerned with playing with toys, escapism, and irresponsibility. It's not about "being able to get a date" it's about maturity, or lack thereof, and that's demonstrated equally well by the stereotypical harley guy as it is by the stereotypical "basement dwelling gamer." Now I don't think that either stereotype is true BUT we perpetuate it from within our subculture partially by refusing to clean up our act when it comes to treatment of women.
Mar 22nd 2011 11:06AM @jealouspirate And to clarify? I think the portrayals of men in steamy romance novels are objectifying and I think they're dangerous and harmful too, you're absolutely right. They set standards real men can't meet, and they train young women to look for something they aren't likely to ever find. Your parallel is accurate.
Mar 22nd 2011 11:05AM @jealouspirate Most women do not want to wear teeny tiny clothing no matter where they are, either. Looking good and being objectified aren't the same thing, and trying to equate them is misleading.
Mar 22nd 2011 10:32AM @TekkaGules The problem as I see it is that both men and women are objectified in ways designed to appeal to men. Which is equally objectifying, true. And it's probably damaging to both men and women. But it is still MORE marginalizing to women to be objectified for the male audience than it is for men to be objectified for the male audience. One could almost say that the women are objectified and the men are idealized.
Doesn't seem equal to me.