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Apr 3rd 2012 5:20PM And on the topic of gender equality, we get this gem from another game:
Just read the whole thing, and get ready to shake your head.
Apr 3rd 2012 5:10PM Sadly, I've known friends of mine who had to deal with that kind of stuff in real life, with male friends deciding "Oh, she's friendly, that must mean she WANTS me!" It's not a surprise to see it in game, but it's still a shame. Only way to deal with it is by slapping them back into place with a hard dose of reality.
As for the game store anecdote... That was STUPID of them! Okay, I admit this is actually kind of sexist, but... Well, if you were capable, I'd hire a woman to work at a game store just because a female gamer is some kind of "nerd fantasy" and it might attract more customers to my particular store. I admit, that's pretty much "using" you, but in business, you tend to make some questionable choices as far as morality goes. I mean, I wouldn't choose a different outfit, so you'd still be in a red polo shirt that screams "I'll be the first to die if we go on an away mission," but yeah, still, it's kind of callous. But to turn you down for your gender when it's more of an asset? Absolutely stupid from a business aspect.
On the other hand, it means you're free to pursue a job where you wouldn't have to deal with people with that attitude, and a happier job is always better in the long run. (Saying that from experience.)
Apr 3rd 2012 5:01PM First off, just want to note that my Alliance toons are all female, for... well, funny reasons. (I'm mainly Horde, and they're all male, because that's what I usually play, since I myself am male.) So I've seen some of the issues here.
The armor thing does bother me, and it pisses me off with my Mage. Since when does "Black Mageweave PANTS" suddenly translate to "Black Mageweave UNDERWEAR" with females? Because that's how it turns out. I like the Black Mageweave Pants, but couldn't use them on her. Forced me to go in a different route for transmogging, and also had some odd times when I was leveling her (I love using crafted items during leveling). Sorry, but some of that armor stuff is just ridiculous, and especially when you do that with cloth armor. Because, yeah, my Mage/Priest/Warlock totally wants to run around half-naked except for the huge shoulder pads you can't turn off. (Okay, maybe a Warlock might, but since my Warlock is a Gnome... let's avoid that.)
I've also witnessed the comments and stuff. I'm a person who appreciates humor enough to see how funny some situations are, but other times, it feels a bit, well, creepy. In my Mage's guild, one of the other guild members has a-bit-too-often made references to my Mage with terms that are a bit too, ah, "familiar," and spent half a dungeon trying to flirt. I'm kind of waiting for the right time to say, "You know this is a guy playing this character? So, if you're just roleplaying, cool, but be prepared for more roleplayed rejection and jokes at your expense." But there's a lot of people who do things different with my female toons. They treat them nicer, act friendlier, are more likely to send them stuff... and it's really kind of weird and makes me worry about these people.
Granted... I could be misreading some of the comments directed to my female toons by male toons. I mean, I don't have an issue with some female toon (played by a woman) referring to my toon as "hun" or "sweetie" or whatever in a friendly manner, knowing that it's just a word used to mark me as a friend, nothing else. So, I don't know, maybe it's that way the other way around. Maybe it's not meant in some sexist way of hitting on my toons or degrading them or whatever. Though, yeah, the derogatory comments... definitely sexist.
I have no idea how we'll ever get rid of sexism in games, but it'd have to start with the playerbase. Good luck with that, though.
Apr 2nd 2012 3:18PM I'm having similar issues. My Paladin is running around in Holy with an Elementium shield made by a fellow guildmate, and a pair of crafted PVP shoulders in Ret spec. I can't get that shield to drop from Jaina, and the only time the 378 plate DPS shoulders drop is when I'm on a different toon. And, of course, shoulders and shields can't be bought with JP or VP...
Mar 30th 2012 2:57PM Well, if you want to argue from an immersion factor, how do we instantly know the names of all of these people in a crowd? We know exactly who we're supposed to talk to already, who to get quests from, etc. How?
Trust me, you don't want to start thinking about that stuff. I have, before, and it drove me mad. Like it's rather immersion-killing if you're in agreement with Garrosh on what the Forsaken are doing, but in order to level in the Eastern Kingdoms, you still have to help them.
WoW isn't a "typical" RPG. Honestly, it's more of an action RPG. If we want more immersion and all, we have to hop on an RP server and hope to find some good folks to RP with.
Besides, it's a magical world. Sure, it might be a cop out, but who's to say magic isn't involved in us just "knowing" these things?
Mar 30th 2012 2:53PM It's a good thing, trust me. Especially when you have to talk to someone in a completely different area.
These markers have been a big help in RIFT, which has a lot of similar "Go talk to X, Y and Z" quests. It doesn't make things "easy," it just helps when you're looking all over for one particular person or object and can't find them. I've had a few situations where I ended up talking to everyone except the person I needed to.
I don't see why anyone would think it's a good thing for the game to be remarkably frustrating. That's not a matter of skill; there's no skill involved in chatting quests. I guess some people need to talk down the rest of the players and any improvement in the game to make themselves feel "elite" when they're anything but, but I'm sure the vast majority of us enjoy being able to actually complete quests rather than spend long amounts of time looking for the "right" person.
Mar 29th 2012 12:10PM I've been wondering the same myself, especially with the way some of the items that were datamined came out.
I'd like for them to make the change. Using wands to conserve mana isn't an issue, since they claimed Mages and such would still be allowed to use Wands. Just use a Wand in place of a Main Hand weapon like a Sword or Dagger, and you're fine.
I don't want it to be kept the way it is now, because it's a serious pain for Hunters in PVP. My Hunter is my main PVP character, but whereas other classes might be able to grab a Relic or Wand for 700 HP/CP, Hunters have to pay 3400 for their ranged weapon because it's their main source of damage. HOWEVER... they still have to throw out an additional 3400 for a two-handed melee weapon to get the stat boosts. So my Ret Pally or Mage can spend 4100 HP/CP, but my Hunter has to spend 6800 HP/CP to be on par in terms of gearing. How does that even remotely make sense?
But it's still early in the beta, a lot can (and will) change yet.
Mar 29th 2012 12:05PM I believe one of the current necklaces you can get from the Hour of Twilight dungeons has an effect like that. IIRC, my Paladin has a Strength necklace that has an out-of-combat effect to "say a prayer to the Light" or something like that.
And typically, when you do such a prayer, people tend to kneel. I'm almost 100% sure it has nothing to do with Tim Tebow.
I actually like it for my Paladin, and I tend to do it before major boss fights, especially Benedictus. Just seems appropriate.
Mar 28th 2012 11:53AM No Q at the moment, but on the topic of reading suggestions, here's a few:
Grunts by Mary Gentle - Orcs find a treasure hoard with a curse, "You become what you steal." When they steal M16s and other Marine gear, hilarity ensues. (Also not a "PG" kind of book.)
Mogworld by Yahtzee Croshaw - Good one for any MMORPG lover, especially if you ever wondered what living in such a world was like.
I know you're digging e-readers, but check out used book stores. There's a lot of good, fun books out there, like the original Thieves World series (basically a bunch of short story collections by some of the best fantasy authors of the time, working together to write stories in one setting).
Mar 28th 2012 7:24AM I can't help but keep thinking of the Titans from WoW lore every time I hear the name of that MMO. It could be pure coincidence, but I wonder if it isn't. I mean, heck, why not throw out a sci-fi game featuring the players as Titans? Let us reshape worlds, all that mumbo-jumbo, or whatever.
Yeah, I'm grasping at straws, but we have literally NOTHING on this game.